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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1239 Posts |
 Posted - 31/03/2007 : 22:15:15
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Of course no Forum is complete without a little musing over the fate of this seafront site...
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/03/2007 : 22:23:00
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| Well, certainly no Brighton based forum that's for sure. I am still reeling from the shock that it has passed despite all the huge shortcomings. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2007 : 22:27:17
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| These shortcomings will be its undoing. |
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Anubis
Barsoom
231 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2007 : 23:25:35
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| Well Vince Meegan thinks New Labour is doing a wonderful job! What more is there to say? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 31/03/2007 : 23:28:30
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Originally posted by Anubis
Well Vince Meegan thinks New Labour is doing a wonderful job! What more is there to say?
Hmmm ... Pass the barf bag please? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2007 : 01:00:46
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Originally posted by Pelagia
A banal dribble forum is just what we need Monty!
Pel dearest ... I think you may have meant this for another thread. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Pelagia
Barsoom
453 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2007 : 01:06:41
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| Thank you Mim. A trifle late for me to be posting, as you may realise! Answer transferred to proper thread! |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
78 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2007 : 09:08:35
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If you want a Public Inquiry, if you were amongst those unable to write that last objection letter and now regret it, there is still one more thing members of the public can do. The GOSE rubber stamp is probably poised to endorse what has happened, but if enough members of the public give enough reasons and act fast enough to stay their hand, we may yet achieve a call-in by GOSE. It is up to you to act.
Only a decision to mount a Public Inquiry can give us hope for a reversal of the planning decision and an opportunity to get the dirty, unethical truth out into the open about the King Alfred at this time and! MOST IMPORTANTLY: ahead of the May local election.
It is my belief that the reason why the planning meeting was so hastily and decisively called ahead of the final consultation deadline, ahead of proper consideration of consultation responses or else, sometime in April, is GOSE. They could not wait for an April date, because they knew they had to send the Minded to Grant decision to Guildford, to GOSE, for evaluation and endorsement and allow the maximum 21 days for them to decide.
Thursday night just past, the legal notices, the Report to Council, official consultee responses and about 10% of the public's consultation responses were couriered to Guildford. GOSE has 21 days from receipt of material to give their endorsement to the Committee decision or to call-in the application for a public inquiry.
If GOSE approves the decision and Grants planning permission, the Labour and LibDem candidates will use it to vindicate themselves to the public as they canvass for votes and also get themselves the endorsing publicity they will be seeking to bolster their positions with the electorate.
Please forward this email to as many people as possible who care or give the snailmail address to people without computers for them to use.
Write asking for call-in of the 'Minded to Grant' decision for planning application BH2006/03429 King Alfred/RNR site, Kingsway, Hove.
email with your reasons to: Jennie.Gilks@gose.gsi.gov.uk, and cc it to Anne.Sprake@gose.gsi.gov.uk and to Susan.Barnes@gose.gsi.gov.uk
Post letters to Jennie Gilks, copied to Anne Sprake and to Susan Barnes to:
Jennie Gilks,
Team Manager (Case work)
Planning East Team (Surrey, Kent, Sussex)
Government Office for the South East
Bridge House
1 Walnut Close
Guildford, Surrey GU1 4GA
Anne Sprake is with
Planning East Team same address
Susan Barnes dealt with the application until last spring. She has background knowledge but is not on this team now, having been moved to Thames Basin. I think she ought to be included as she has had long history with this area on behalf of GOSE.
If you go to the GOSE website at www.gose.gov.uk and click on planning casework and then on call in you will find the grounds for call in and you should familiarise yourself with this before mistakenly writing inapplicable letters.
hello everyone,birdy landed on the right forum,well done mirium for finding this,,thought i should forward this on,,
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2007 : 09:14:30
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by Anubis
Well Vince Meegan thinks New Labour is doing a wonderful job! What more is there to say?
Hmmm ... Pass the barf bag please?
Cllr Meegan is away from the seafront but wish him well when all his Party colleagues visit. He will be able to demonstrate what dense housing looks like only 100 yards from him. Is he leading the campaign for a blue sign 'Julie Burchill lived here' ? At least he isn't a NIMBY.
Back to K*** A****d.
The Watkins text. As reported in the Argus.
http://www.brighton-hovelibdems.org.uk/news/000310.html |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2007 : 09:23:20
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| It is a flippin' joke! How on earth is the KA development going to put Brighton on the map? It will over stretch the already stretched infrastructure. The additional 2000+ residents will require doctors, dentists, police, social services, educational services, public transport, refuse collection, public amenities, public services few if any of which can demonstrate that they are operating below capacity. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2007 : 09:55:07
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posted by birdy quote:
the grounds for call in
What are these reasons? Spill the beans! |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2007 : 12:41:58
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Well, I have now waded around the GOSE site, and have found this but as pointers for objection it is not all that clear. I would have thought the building of so many more flats than first envisaged is the main point. I think that is what is here called Departure Applications. Anyway here it is, folks. Let's hope we come up trumps in the GOSE Casino!
Call-In Policy
The Secretary of State can intervene in local planning decisions and decide them himself. These are known as call-in decisions. Call-in applications are referred to us for consideration.
Applications
Each application referred to us is measured against national planning polices, rather than judging the planning permission on the particular circumstances of the case. These include:
* Departure Applications
* Shopping Directions
* Playing Fields Directions
* Density Directions
* Greenfield Directions
* Representations from local planning authorities (LPAs), government departments or the public
We have three weeks to decide whether to call in a planning application. Once called in, cases are transferred to the Planning Inspectorate, which arranges a public inquiry and appoints a Planning Inspector to hear evidence from the applicant, the local planning authority and any other interested parties, including members of the public.
The Inspector then prepares a report for the Secretary of State, with recommendations |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2007 : 12:50:02
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Perhaps GOSE will suggest that the Council gets a couple of Gehry's cardboard "Wiggle Chairs" for the Chief Executive's office - and do something else with the King Alfred site.
http://www.plushpod.com/item_48.php |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2007 : 14:41:54
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
It is a flippin' joke! How on earth is the KA development going to put Brighton on the map? It will over stretch the already stretched infrastructure. The additional 2000+ residents will require doctors, dentists, police, social services, educational services, public transport, refuse collection, public amenities, public services few if any of which can demonstrate that they are operating below capacity.
I recall a recent TV clip with Mr Fanshawe talking I believe about this 'putting on the map' business. I think these people must like the attention and feel that they are lacking enough of it. It is very sad that there seems to be a big ego trip going on that has nothing to do with the normal residents of this city.
The ins and outs of what is known as the King Alfred saga really need to be subject to scrutiny. Scrape away the spin/PR gloss and what is left ? |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1167 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2007 : 15:44:10
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| I was reading in Julie Burchill's book a blistering attack on the circulars and statements by the Save Hove outfit. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1167 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2007 : 19:22:21
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The Election is probably a bit of a red herring over the King Alfred.
More probable is that ING were starting to breathe down the Karis neck. |
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caeos
Barsoom
138 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2007 : 19:24:26
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| should that be HOVE on the map???? |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
78 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2007 : 09:23:31
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Originally posted by Control Panel
I was reading in Julie Burchill's book a blistering attack on the circulars and statements by the Save Hove outfit.
what did she say?have ordered book at hove library,still waiting.when i think of her i think of rescuing my pals cat who lives near where her old house was,now under a big block being constructed.we went on midnight plant raids to rescue some of the lovely plants left for demolition.her cat was locked in one of the houses,must have followed us over. |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2007 : 10:33:03
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Here is a report about a place which wants to demolish a Gehry or two - and Gehry agrees with them. Can we predict an Argus report from 2037 when a similar situation arises in Hove: "Speaking from from his luxurious home - Dungovernin - in the Bahamas, former councillor Ken Bodfish said: 'it is quite correct to demolish these buildings. It is vital for the city to keep at the forefront and bring in tourists by getting rid of these buildings which were cutting edge in their time but are now sadly blunted. We could only get away for so long with calling the falling masonry performance art.'"
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/howard/bal-ho.rouse18mar18,0,6889564.story?coll=bal-local-howard |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
78 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2007 : 09:23:41
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| there is some fencing going up by the car park,i think they are going to dig some more bore holes to see how toxic it really is underground.just been along and spoke to a friendly gentleman who said no bore holes yet,just going to fix one of the pools. |
Edited by - birdy on 03/04/2007 12:33:08 |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2007 : 12:36:45
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| Sounds as if birdy has taken over one of the peregrines' nesting-boxes to maintain this vigil at the King Alfred |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
 Posted - 03/04/2007 : 15:31:15
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Originally posted by Infinite Poppadum
Sounds as if birdy has taken over one of the peregrines' nesting-boxes to maintain this vigil at the King Alfred
I think we need all eye witness reports we can get from there. Maybe even a webcam (infra red ?). |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
78 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2007 : 17:35:33
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| getting ready to release my trained up lesser crested newts,slow-worm and bat crew for the environment study. |
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morgig
Alagaësía
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 13:07:28
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"I hope that when it comes to the election, people look at what I have done for the last four years and not just this vote."
Looks like Cllr Watkins is a little worried about the way he voted on the KA
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2007 : 13:24:17
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| I contacted the council as I have been trying to find out how many actual residential units are currently being built in Brighton & Hove. They don't know! They know how many have been built but not how many are in the process of being built. A tad worrying I would have thought especially when you find out that they only consider water, gas and electricity as those parts of the infrastructure that need to be considered . |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
 Posted - 04/04/2007 : 15:11:13
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Originally posted by morgig
"I hope that when it comes to the election, people look at what I have done for the last four years and not just this vote."
Looks like Cllr Watkins is a little worried about the way he voted on the KA
Not just Cllr Watkins but his colleagues as well. Last four years not very impressive - remember 6th June 2005. |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
78 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2007 : 22:52:02
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| Has anyone seen the plans for the block of flats at the bottom of vallance gardens,9 flats,white block,designed to blend in with ka development,the developer has even used a karis piccy as part of the proposal.more unimaginative lumps of concrete will follow. as my good friend says,'this town needs a taste transplant'!the developer lives in buxted,why can't they build it there? |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2007 : 08:58:45
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Originally posted by birdy
Has anyone seen the plans for the block of flats at the bottom of vallance gardens,9 flats,white block,designed to blend in with ka development,the developer has even used a karis piccy as part of the proposal.more unimaginative lumps of concrete will follow. as my good friend says,'this town needs a taste transplant'!the developer lives in buxted,why can't they build it there?
More evidence of the curse of King Alfred (maybe even King's House). |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2007 : 09:03:28
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| Just for the sake of those of us who did not respond before the 'old forum' was sent to the great big delete bin in the sky ... Could whoever it was, and I apologise for not remembering the posters' name, please repost the details of where we apply to GOSE for a recall on this diabolical planning application? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
78 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2007 : 09:14:04
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Originally posted by birdy
If you want a Public Inquiry, if you were amongst those unable to write that last objection letter and now regret it, there is still one more thing members of the public can do. The GOSE rubber stamp is probably poised to endorse what has happened, but if enough members of the public give enough reasons and act fast enough to stay their hand, we may yet achieve a call-in by GOSE. It is up to you to act.
Only a decision to mount a Public Inquiry can give us hope for a reversal of the planning decision and an opportunity to get the dirty, unethical truth out into the open about the King Alfred at this time and! MOST IMPORTANTLY: ahead of the May local election.
It is my belief that the reason why the planning meeting was so hastily and decisively called ahead of the final consultation deadline, ahead of proper consideration of consultation responses or else, sometime in April, is GOSE. They could not wait for an April date, because they knew they had to send the Minded to Grant decision to Guildford, to GOSE, for evaluation and endorsement and allow the maximum 21 days for them to decide.
Thursday night just past, the legal notices, the Report to Council, official consultee responses and about 10% of the public's consultation responses were couriered to Guildford. GOSE has 21 days from receipt of material to give their endorsement to the Committee decision or to call-in the application for a public inquiry.
If GOSE approves the decision and Grants planning permission, the Labour and LibDem candidates will use it to vindicate themselves to the public as they canvass for votes and also get themselves the endorsing publicity they will be seeking to bolster their positions with the electorate.
Please forward this email to as many people as possible who care or give the snailmail address to people without computers for them to use.
Write asking for call-in of the 'Minded to Grant' decision for planning application BH2006/03429 King Alfred/RNR site, Kingsway, Hove.
email with your reasons to: Jennie.Gilks@gose.gsi.gov.uk, and cc it to Anne.Sprake@gose.gsi.gov.uk and to Susan.Barnes@gose.gsi.gov.uk
Post letters to Jennie Gilks, copied to Anne Sprake and to Susan Barnes to:
Jennie Gilks,
Team Manager (Case work)
Planning East Team (Surrey, Kent, Sussex)
Government Office for the South East
Bridge House
1 Walnut Close
Guildford, Surrey GU1 4GA
Anne Sprake is with
Planning East Team same address
Susan Barnes dealt with the application until last spring. She has background knowledge but is not on this team now, having been moved to Thames Basin. I think she ought to be included as she has had long history with this area on behalf of GOSE.
If you go to the GOSE website at www.gose.gov.uk and click on planning casework and then on call in you will find the grounds for call in and you should familiarise yourself with this before mistakenly writing inapplicable letters.
hello everyone,birdy landed on the right forum,well done mirium for finding this,,thought i should forward this on,,
here it is..
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2007 : 09:36:06
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| Thank you Birdy ... |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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K*** A****d