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| long time no see |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 21:44:20
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1278556,00.html
A Grazing area near farms
which is now a area of 3km.
And 10km outer zone.
Defra did not have time to inform locals.
Un-Elected PM Brown
is going to return from his holiday in Dorset tomorrow. |
| 22 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| long time no see |
Posted - 12/09/2007 : 15:23:23
The Queens Estate is now under DEFRA control.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1283750,00.html
Once again no cattle can be moved
in England.
NZ imports will be bought from today.
This is all from that New Labour owned Faulty Lab
that leaked and set of this chain of Foot and Mouth. |
| No Expert |
Posted - 12/09/2007 : 12:24:20
Great! Could you please post up lots of pictures of newspaper front pages as none of us are clever enought to work out how to read newspapers online. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 12/09/2007 : 11:27:41
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1283750,00.html
10 miles near the other Lab Outbreak
another suspected Foot and Mouth case.
New Labour gone wrong. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 22:02:16
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1283201,00.html
What a Corrupt New Labour Party,
H.Benn MP said he will not Sack anyone
over the Leaks that created Foot and Mouth.
What Pathetic Power in charge of England. |
| Daveb |
Posted - 10/08/2007 : 08:42:09
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6939717.stm
Now there's a suprise!
Just heard the farmer on radio news saying it is not foot & mouth.
I hope he is right. |
| camelot |
Posted - 10/08/2007 : 02:28:20
quote:
Originally posted by Fluffy Sheep
We need to campaign seriously about the Movement aspect. Really.
Yes, with livestock, and sick people. The question is how do we do it without locking ever person and cow down in isolation? Diseases of plant, animal, and humans travel to your doorstep from anywhere in the world in hours now, instead of years, months, or days. Invasive species of plants and insects are fanning out from our airports and docks like bacteria in a Petri dish. I could go on and on about the deforestation that has taken place from insects hitching a ride from China. The fact that this appears to be a leak from a local lab is almost comforting when you think of what can come from afar, comforting except for the tremendous loss being taken by the agricultural industry
It also shakes my faith (which was strong)in the "containment labs" that are the core of biological, pharmaceutical, and chemical industries.
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| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 09/08/2007 : 23:52:07
You are right ... we do need to start taking it far more seriously. |
| Fluffy Sheep |
Posted - 09/08/2007 : 23:44:27
We need to campaign seriously about the Movement aspect. Really.
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| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 09/08/2007 : 22:27:46
I know what you are saying Fluffy but I suppose I believe that the intensity is what has caused the movement. |
| Daveb |
Posted - 09/08/2007 : 21:45:55
What happens between me and my pork chops is strictly private  |
| Fluffy Sheep |
Posted - 09/08/2007 : 21:40:10
Nature moves certain items around, birds, seeds ../ that`s one biohazard, but HELL, compared to the way us humans are trawling stuff around the place...
How far did your `local` pork chops travel up and down the place before they got to your local supermarket??? |
| Daveb |
Posted - 09/08/2007 : 21:17:54
I always thought it amusing that they put something like a 500m limit around a genetic crop.
As if any distance is far enough.
Any seed can be caried for miles and miles.
Complete and utter b******s |
| Fluffy Sheep |
Posted - 09/08/2007 : 20:28:17
Miriam, you know I`m not sure that it`s the actual INTENSITY of farming, or for that matter nursing, that`s the problem in disease control. I honestly think the biggest factor contributing to disease spread is MOVEMENT.
My late old mum was a nurse, her first bit of training was for the Fevers Register, they had the old `Nightingale` open wards, no side wards except a couple for Private Patients, 30 or 40 beds and anything infectious nursed there, and they DIDN`T get folks cross infected. And they didn`t move patients around either.
On the farming front, as in nursing, every time any animal or human gets shifted and shuffled from A to B, we increase the potential for one infected but undiagnosed individual to infect others.
Bio-Security my arse!
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| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 09/08/2007 : 18:59:24
To a certain extent I must agree with you there Fluffy. It is the intensity of farming, be it lifestock or whatever, that has created a lot of the problems that we face today in disease control. |
| Fluffy Sheep |
Posted - 09/08/2007 : 18:47:38
Interesting. These precautions are deemed `safe`. Then WHY aren`t these precautions the norm?
The equivalent question in nursing terms...certain patients may be identified as HIV or Hep B `high risk` groups, if there are known conditions or circumstances - the inference being that staff should be Extra Careful. As I was taught, and as I take great care to try to pass on to any student nurse I`m called upon to mentor, that standard of Extra Careful is something that should simply be the NORM, to protect ourselves and other patients. BEFORE the danger is diagnosed, not AFTERWARDS! Otherwise, we`re merely bolting the stable door after the horse has disappeared over the horizon!
In nursing we refer to `Infection Control`, in agricultural livestock rearing they call it `Bio-Security`. These terms are what gets bandied about when there`s a crisis. It`s Damage Limitation, rather than Damage Prevention. Hospital acquired infections really took off when it became normal for patients to get moved around from ward to ward, (3 wards in 10 days is common now) and the big outbreaks of livestock diseases have only emerged since the supermarket chains took over from the local butchers shops as our main meat suppliers. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 08/08/2007 : 17:35:02
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1279010,00.html
Animals outside the Area can be Moved from midnight
but only under special guidelines.
And the trucks can only go to one Farm at a time
then cleaned. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 06/08/2007 : 06:11:37
http://www.guardian.co.uk/footandmouth/story/0,,2142432,00.html
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| Fluffy Sheep |
Posted - 05/08/2007 : 23:00:59
Wherever this outbreak has originated, and of course they must try to establish this, the important thing is to contain it now.
I think there`s more to it that simply where it originated, it`s more a question of how far could it have already been carried before it was diagnosed.
WHY do we have to risk agricultural catastrophes by hauling everything from cows to carrots all up and down the bloody country before it gets near the consumer??? Big Deal, they`re curtailing the movement of animals now...
Last week I heard a programme on BBC Radio Wales, they were interviewing a farmer who was on about his carrot crop, supplying a major supermarket chain which (like most of them do) claims to source its produce as `locally` as possible. But his carrots had to get shipped many miles to some depot, to get rinsed and graded, then many miles back to get into the supermarket nearest his farm, where the produce gets sold as `local`. This happens with most of the `fresh` fruit, veg AND meat.
OK, we have to have trade, import and export, and transport regional specialities to other regions - but we really don`t NEED the senseless fuel-wasting CON that makes us think we`re supporting ecologically sound produce marketing, when we aren`t!
`Local` meat, fruit and veg really comes VERY indirectly to any of the supermarket outlets, though it might meet the criteria for being sold as `local` produce.
I hate these buzz-words, (organic, etc.,) but `Direct`(don`t groan!) added to `local` wouldn`t be a bad thing.
Farmer`s markets, local butchers....but are some of these in on the Big Con too? |
| long time no see |
Posted - 05/08/2007 : 19:10:02
That Lab has just said they have never had a breach over the last 10 years.
Of Course that would be very true
but Human Error or other ways is very possible. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 05/08/2007 : 13:38:37
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/05/nfandm105.xml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6931924.stm
Some views on the Lab. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 04/08/2007 : 22:26:35
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1278556,00.html
So it is the same strain
as the Co American Owned Nearby Lab.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2141897,00.html
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| long time no see |
Posted - 04/08/2007 : 18:25:39
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30000-1278603,00.html
A video 2:51mins Report.
Farmers have now stopped News Helicopters from flying over their livestock.
Another report has said a leak may have come from a Government Reseach building
but of course, if that is true?
that may stay hidden.
Cameron, also like Brown, came back from his holiday. |
