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| moon23 |
Posted - 07/01/2008 : 13:19:54
The Police driven on by the anti-drinking health facists have seen fit to raid a pub in Birmingham and force it's customers to partake in soberity tests..
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| moon23 |
Posted - 09/01/2008 : 10:19:59
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Originally posted by Borninhove
The government arresting people for drinking alcohol?
Sounds pretty normal to me.
No it's normal to arrest drunk and disordley people. Not people who are drunk and not causing mayhem. |
| moon23 |
Posted - 09/01/2008 : 10:12:31
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Originally posted by Tombstone Blues
I'm waiting for the day when they raid Greggs and nick LTNS for eating unhealthy pasties.
They might give him an ASBO banning him from comming within 20ft of a sausage roll. |
| thedelboy |
Posted - 09/01/2008 : 10:12:08
madness,the whole world has gone mmmmaaadd eeehaaaaa |
| Tombstone Blues |
Posted - 09/01/2008 : 10:06:41
I'm waiting for the day when they raid Greggs and nick LTNS for eating unhealthy pasties. |
| Borninhove |
Posted - 09/01/2008 : 06:01:28
The government arresting people for drinking alcohol?
Sounds pretty normal to me. |
| moon23 |
Posted - 08/01/2008 : 12:38:59
Oh yea... well I am a Dizzy Idiot so forgive me on the grounds that it sounded like something you would say!
I think it's more a product of the media age we live in. These days you get such scaremongering in the papers about health issues (often with the science being badly reported, sometimes with bad science being reported well). The government then feels it has to react in order not to lose votes. You then get scores of these reports being made by various Quangos, political advisers etc, that's before even getting to the civil service.
The real question however is the extent to which government is responsible for the lives of individuals. I mean most of us can agree that having a state that provides law, healthcare, security and education is good thing. A welfare state is also a good thing in my view. All these do is provide a support structure in which we then be free to enjoy out live how we choose too.
Unfortunately the government seems to think that it has some obligation to ensure we are not fat, unhealthy or drinking etc. Instead we must be fit, tee-total and hardworking. Health is judged only in so far as longevity is concerned; meanwhile mental health and happiness are by in large ignored. Current Suicide rates are 17.5 per 100,000 for men aged 15 and over compared to 17.9 per 100,000 for alcohol related deaths. Binge drinking is a number 1 priority, yet the isolation, depression and anxiety which lead to suicide are hardly mentioned.
It's easy to be seen to 'crackdown' on binge drinking, but to stop people killing themselves then the government might be forced to face up to the truth that our individualistic stress ridden consumer capitalist life-styles aren't all they are cracked up to be. You ask people who drink a lot why they do so and you can guarantee that the stress of modern living and the pressure we are all under is a major cause.
I constantly despair that politicians fail to look at the bigger picture, and more often than not I think they are too hooked on the idea that economic growth = Happiness to realize the true problems.
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| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 08/01/2008 : 10:29:48
Actually Moon that is Camelot you are quoting but I too am of the opinion that the smoking ban is but a sliver up in the thin end of the wedge called interventionist government.
I seem to remember that at one time we ruled an empire where the sun never set with a handful of civil servants and a bushel of ministers. The houses of parliament have grown with new ministers being appointed left right and centre and as for the civil service ... well, to say that their numbers have risen at a rate of knots is putting it mildly (sheesh, I am having one of my metaphorical days - let's hope I don't start mixing them) The fact is that you cannot have all these people on the payroll and not find them something to do to while away the hours. So you will get interventionist government.
Oh at first it will all sound fine ... forcing all children to attend school for a given number of years is wonderful. We will not think about the fact that it is actually in the interest of businesses and the manufacturing industry that they have a ready pool of educated rather then uneducated workers. And, probably more importantly, that they get to determine what that workforce should be educated with and in. National Health ... another wonderful step along the road to interventionist government. But we tend to forget that David Lloyd's health bill introduced years earlier worked rather well - in many ways probably better then the NHS.
Oh, I am wasting my time talking about all this. Too many people are capable of seeing just about to the tip of their own noses and ramifications, not to mention the 'snowball effect' of interventionist government will not concern them until it happens to hit them on their personal nasal protuberance. |
| moon23 |
Posted - 08/01/2008 : 10:05:48
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Originally posted by camelot
This is the logical next step to banning smoking...and if TB doesn't comment here, well I guess that's it. We have the same thing here with Police sitting outside bars waiting for patrons to drive off at closing time at night. The important difference being the driving...if police raid a pub to see if patrons are drunk they should also raid a fast food resturant to see if patrons are fat....I mean, what's next, prohibition like in the USA in the twenties?? History shows how that worked out.
And the spokesman’s comment that "It would therefore be inappropriate for us to comment further at this stage." is universal double speak for "sh#t, this was a c@ckup.... we must stall for time to think of something plausible"
I agree Mim this is the next logical conclusion to banning smoking. I've been reading in the metro letters section a debate about whether people should be made to pay for their own NHS treatment if they are admitted becuase they are drunk! It's stupid reactionary and illogical. What's next making motorist who are at fault of an accident pay for their own treatment?!
New labour have given the police more powers and these arbitary on the spot fines that bypass the judical system. Coupled with a moral panic about drinking you get this sort of reactionary behaviour.
What would come next banning fatty foods?
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| moon23 |
Posted - 08/01/2008 : 09:46:35
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Originally posted by Denise
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Moon is probably just trying to get some visitors to his site. Sorry Moon, I meant to visit but you know how it is ... you put things off and next thing you know, you've forgotten all about it.
Actually the article is right, this would have been hilarious if it hadn't been such a tragic waste of costly resources. Having said that, I must give the police 10 out or 10 for resourcefulness. I expect that next we will hear of them raiding hairdressers on the grounds that there are people carrying scissors in a public space.
Psst ... Chief Inspector, word has it that people are stabbed by needles in tattoo parlours
News that this was going to happen first surfaced on The Stirrer back in November, here and here.
Thanks for that news research Denise |
| camelot |
Posted - 08/01/2008 : 07:28:19
This is the logical next step to banning smoking...and if TB doesn't comment here, well I guess that's it. We have the same thing here with Police sitting outside bars waiting for patrons to drive off at closing time at night. The important difference being the driving...if police raid a pub to see if patrons are drunk they should also raid a fast food resturant to see if patrons are fat....I mean, what's next, prohibition like in the USA in the twenties?? History shows how that worked out.
And the spokesman’s comment that "It would therefore be inappropriate for us to comment further at this stage." is universal double speak for "sh#t, this was a c@ckup.... we must stall for time to think of something plausible" |
| Denise |
Posted - 07/01/2008 : 22:28:22
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Moon is probably just trying to get some visitors to his site. Sorry Moon, I meant to visit but you know how it is ... you put things off and next thing you know, you've forgotten all about it.
Actually the article is right, this would have been hilarious if it hadn't been such a tragic waste of costly resources. Having said that, I must give the police 10 out or 10 for resourcefulness. I expect that next we will hear of them raiding hairdressers on the grounds that there are people carrying scissors in a public space.
Psst ... Chief Inspector, word has it that people are stabbed by needles in tattoo parlours
News that this was going to happen first surfaced on The Stirrer back in November, here and here. |
| moon23 |
Posted - 07/01/2008 : 14:02:40
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Moon is probably just trying to get some visitors to his site. Sorry Moon, I meant to visit but you know how it is ... you put things off and next thing you know, you've forgotten all about it.
Actually the article is right, this would have been hilarious if it hadn't been such a tragic waste of costly resources. Having said that, I must give the police 10 out or 10 for resourcefulness. I expect that next we will hear of them raiding hairdressers on the grounds that there are people carrying scissors in a public space.
Psst ... Chief Inspector, word has it that people are stabbed by needles in tattoo parlours
That's ok Miriam, I haven't been visiting by here nearly enougth either.
You can read my blog which has different commentary or you can read the sky news report (Hambag got the link to that story from my blog) or you can read both, that is the joyful freedom of the internet.
I don't get why they didn't just walk up and down the centre of Birmingham on a Friday evening. They would find plenty of disordley drunk people to keep them busy. Seems more like it's an attempt to scare the land lord into not serving drunk people. |
| moon23 |
Posted - 07/01/2008 : 13:50:36
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Originally posted by Hambag
Filthy blog spammer.
Link to the actual story: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1299491,00.html
The sky site has lots of advertising on it though, perhaps people don't want your sky spam. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 07/01/2008 : 13:40:40
Moon is probably just trying to get some visitors to his site. Sorry Moon, I meant to visit but you know how it is ... you put things off and next thing you know, you've forgotten all about it.
Actually the article is right, this would have been hilarious if it hadn't been such a tragic waste of costly resources. Having said that, I must give the police 10 out or 10 for resourcefulness. I expect that next we will hear of them raiding hairdressers on the grounds that there are people carrying scissors in a public space.
Psst ... Chief Inspector, word has it that people are stabbed by needles in tattoo parlours |
| Hambag |
Posted - 07/01/2008 : 13:29:05
Filthy blog spammer.
Link to the actual story: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1299491,00.html |
