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| Infinite Poppadum |
Posted - 31/03/2007 : 22:15:15
Of course no Forum is complete without a little musing over the fate of this seafront site... |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Infinite Poppadum |
Posted - 03/10/2008 : 12:25:44
Mrs Poppadum has just rung to say that Josh Arghiros has applied to change the application details for his dodgy-sounding restaurant in Black Lion Street - and the printed application is credited to a certain "Mr Karis".
It will take more than that to throw people off his scent, she said! |
| Martha Gunn |
Posted - 01/10/2008 : 18:31:02
Lets face it, The King Alfred development that was given planning permission is dead in the water at the moment. Doesn't planning permission last for 3 years or something giving the developer a window of opportunity to put something in place?
Hopefully, Karis will get their fingers burned in the economic climate with their development in Black Lion Street meaning they are unable to progress although that still leaves the KA site in limbo for possibly years. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 01/10/2008 : 11:35:34
Look, let's be frank ... this is Brighton & Hove City Council we are talking about; not some efficient, well organised and well run organisation. |
| Control Panel |
Posted - 01/10/2008 : 10:53:25
This shows that flats in Leeds and Birmingham - "new build" - have fallen in price by up to 50%. They cannot get rid of them.
The King Alfred flats cannot possibly be built. Why is the council being so slow to announce any new plan - or overdue maintenance - for the King Alfred?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/oct/01/banking.regulators1 |
| Infinite Poppadum |
Posted - 28/09/2008 : 20:12:27
Will this - a B and H tradition - spread to the King Alfred?
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/3710023.Fire_tears_through_derelict_buildings/ |
| B.O.B. |
Posted - 24/09/2008 : 15:00:05
Is the i360 still going ahead? Haven't heard anything about that lately. |
| Infinite Poppadum |
Posted - 23/09/2008 : 09:46:31
Yesterday's Argus had a small report which said that November 9th is the date when Karis has to settle the King Alfred matters and that there will be meetings about it (in public?) in October and November.
Are these the formalities of the end game? |
| Daveb |
Posted - 12/09/2008 : 10:45:36
Any new building that removes veiws should be able to be objected to in the same way as light deprevation.
KA, Marina, Ocean Hotel development are all over-the-top. |
| Infinite Poppadum |
Posted - 12/09/2008 : 10:39:08
Good piece here about towers in general. Brighton has got it all wrong by putting the odd one here and there. If there were to be towers, and these probably do not suit Brighton and Hove anyway, they should be in clusters. But, even so, any here would only have that visual effect from out at sea. Gehry's original proposal for 4 towers made more sense than the subsequent proposal but it was the wrong place.
As the article says, Brighton and Hove should make more of their streets.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/12/heritage
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| Daveb |
Posted - 31/08/2008 : 10:58:15
If the council tried I am sure they could get a few million from the lottery fund to refurbish. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 31/08/2008 : 10:52:25
The thing is ... our council is far more focused on bringing tourism and businesses; not that their rather hotchpotch approach is doing much to attain that. Nah, there is not a single iota of political will regarding the improvement of facilities for local residents. What was it Martha Gunn said; something about style over substance? The trouble is that we have a strong executive and weak councillors who, in the main are more concerned with staying on the right side of the executive.
So there you have it, a load of paid employees who are so protected that they are never answerable for any of the grave errors of judgement or pure plain and simple inability to do the job they are paid for on the one hand. And a weak governing body in the shape of by and large - and with a few notable exceptions - councillors who are more concerned with advancing their political careers in their various parties then the residents they are supposed to represent. |
| Control Panel |
Posted - 31/08/2008 : 10:06:28
If the Edwardian swimming pool in Marshall Street, Soho, can be restored for re-opening in 2011, then perhaps it is not so very hard to make something of the current King Alfred. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 22/08/2008 : 07:56:48
I have said this before ... the Gehry buildings that were proposed for that poor site were merely rehashes of buildings he had put up elsewhere (Dallas being one place that jumps to mind). I doubt Gehry ever really had any personal involvement with B&H. Could he even find it on a map? |
| Infinite Poppadum |
Posted - 22/08/2008 : 07:38:46
Frank Gehry is too busy to work on a theatre in Brooklyn. So he is unlikely indeed to pick up any threads in Hove.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/theater/22gehr.html?_r=1&ref=arts&oref=slogin |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 13:36:48
Not really conducive with the promotion of Brighton as a resort of destination for the day trippers though is it? |
| Daveb |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 13:27:24
I am sure this has been said before.
Brightons road system is inherently flawed. All roads lead to a hub on the coast, therefore access and exit are limited. By making the road even narrower with build outs and bus lanes flow can only decrease.
This will only improve if less people travel in by car which is possibly part of an ultimate plan to rid the roads of B&H of all cars? |
| Furzewick |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 11:50:47
I agree with Martha Gunn's recent posts.
Somebody noted the silence from Fanshawe (probably now in his Scottish home town Edinburgh). However the 'delusions of grandeur' and the 'unworkable schemes' where obvious many years ago and well before the current economic circumstances. Where are the many people who without question supported this (and other) projects ?
Interesting that Gehry's recent comments about the Hove project are well documented but we still hear that they want him to redesign it. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 10:40:49
Sadly Martha I cannot do anything else but agree with you wholeheartedly. I wish it were different and that this was not only a place I called home but a place that called me home; rather then just a beacon to tacky seaside tourism, pretentious architectural posturing and inept public services. |
| Martha Gunn |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 10:22:38
quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Why is it that Crawley manages that which appears to continually elude Brighton?
Because Crawley does not have dellusions of grandeur and simply gets on with trying to provide decent services for its residents.
Brighton, on the other hand, believes itself to be the worlds #1 seaside resort - a culture that perpetuates itself right through Brighton & Hove Council.
This has resulted in millions spent looking at inherently unworkable schemes that has backfired now that the housing boom has ended. lets hope that when there is an economic upturn, there is a more realistic approach. Like, for example, building a brilliant leisure centre on the King Alfred funded by an acceptable, modern hosuing development within the site free of the whole Brad Pitt / Frank Ghery nonsense.
Its amazing that Brighton & Hove Council went all weak at the knees when a Hollywood actors name was casually dropped into the mix who, lets face it, probably couldn't point to Brighton on a map of the UK.
Isn't Brighton cheap and tacky still? |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 10:11:56
I do quite a bit of driving around in Sussex. I am continually struck by the mess that Brighton is when compared with other locations. Why is it that Crawley manages that which appears to continually elude Brighton? |
| nightowl |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 09:57:03
No future for big developments in Brighton only bus lanes on the coast road, at the cost of £1.8 million what a disaster.
Most of these sites screaming out for development will just be left to be neglected for decades, who wants to invest in Brighton with its self inflicted transport and infrastructure failures.
Change of council is a must now, but who do we vote for in May? |
| B.O.B. |
Posted - 31/07/2008 : 12:36:15
Thank goodness for that at least. Anyone want to design a nice eco friendly sports centre for Hove Seafront. What about the guy who did the library. |
| Infinite Poppadum |
Posted - 31/07/2008 : 10:47:33
Mrs Poppadum says that the council is considering other plans for the King Alfred, and is just going through the motions with Karis but has no intention of continuing with that firm which has made the council's reputation all the worse. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 30/07/2008 : 22:39:32
Brighton being all mouth and no trousers and Fanshawe  all trousers and no mouth  He has been conspicuous in his silence hasn't he.
(just as an interesting aside, when spellchecked 'Fanshawe' brings up the suggestion 'banshee'  ) |
| Martha Gunn |
Posted - 30/07/2008 : 22:13:45
Josh Arghiros is talking about 'sitting down with the council to disscuss the projects future'.
Given the underhand tactic employed by Karis which was aided by the Labour adminstration, I would hope that the Tory administration would bar Karis from ever setting foot inside a council building ever again.
This fiasco has cost the tax payer a huge amount of money, lined the pockets of consultants, deprived Brighton & Hove residents of sports complex that could rival (can you beleive it?) Burgess Hill & Crawley and exposed blatant corruption at work with the council. A particuarly mucky episode in Brighton & Hove's already murky government history.
A line should now be drawn under this with any new proposals for the site being drawn up on a much more managable level.
Yet again, this has exposed Brighton to be all mouth and no trousers. Where is Fanshawe these days? |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 29/07/2008 : 22:05:51
And we will not see one single penny back! |
| Daveb |
Posted - 29/07/2008 : 21:25:53
All the latest failed or delayed projects have put enough money into the hands of consultants, lawyers and council expenses to build at least one of them. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 29/07/2008 : 21:16:28
Well, I cannot say I am surprised. Utterly disgusted at the amount of money this fiasco has cost us though. |
| Furzewick |
Posted - 29/07/2008 : 19:54:40
Now the link is
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/3555629.King_Alfred_in_doubt_after_bank_drops_out/
Wonder what the difference is between 'tatters' and 'in doubt' ? |
| Daveb |
Posted - 29/07/2008 : 14:37:23
What a suprise and such a detailed article from the Argus!
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/3555568.King_Alfred_scheme_in_tatters_as_backer_drops_out/ |
