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| Tombstone Blues |
Posted - 23/09/2007 : 18:30:39
http://www.one2believe.com/
Hours of fun! |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Daveb |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 20:23:59
Then is some cases the appropriate authorities will never be informed and "local law" will rule. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 20:15:20
Well it can only go so far and then it will be in contravention of the Rule of Law and it will not be allowed to do so.
As with all matters, the authorities can only deal with issues they know about. So if there is reason to believe that in some areas a Rule of Law that is in contravention of British law is taking preference then it is only by informing the appropriate authorities that action can be taken. |
| Daveb |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 19:48:53
It really depends on how far it goes. We know that some radicals will see this as the first step. Call me a "Little Englander" if you like but I do see this as the thin end of the wedge.
We also know that in many areas, Southall, Leicester, Slough etc where the indiginous population is in a minority that "local laws" take preference.
Is this intergration or assimilation? |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 19:35:22
I can have a conflict with my neighbours and accept the mediation from a mediator provided by the council. I can have a conflcit within my relationship and accept the mediation of my Great-aunt Betty or his uncle Phil. I can have a conflict with members of my congregation and accept the mediation offered by my Rabbi/Priest and yes, if I was in a Muslim congregation I do not see why I should net be able to accept, should I so choose, the mediation of the Imam.
If as a result of that mediation a resolution is arrived at, and that resolution is not only acceptable to both/all parties in the conflict and it is within the bounds of acceptability of the Rule of Law ... then there is no problem that I can see! |
| Daveb |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 19:32:17
I see no need for mediation. UK laws apply to all in UK.
If that is not enough for any group then tough. |
| Anubis |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 19:28:39
quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
Sorry, no way. Move to a country accept the laws.
Mediation is merely a process to try and resolve disputes. It does not claim to be nor should it be regarded as an alternative to the rule of law. And as it so happens mediation is already an accepted format of conflict resolution in this country. So I cannot see where the problem is if both/all parties are willing to accept the mediation of a given mediator; always granted that the proviso is that the arrived at resolution is within keeping of the law as it stands which would be English law in this case.
I am sure I agree with what you mean, Mim ... but perhaps you could have said it more specifically to answer Daveb's possible misunderstanding ?! Of course, in this country already, mediation is a widely recognized "first step" in dispute resolution, which can only take place with the agreement of both parties. The mediator's role is to do no more than help the two parties arrive at a mutually acceptable understanding ... if the parties cannot agree, then the mediation process ends. It is not the purpose of the mediator to make a judgement ..... he does no more than mediate !! |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 19:28:31
quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
Did not realise we were in a conflict. Someone started a civil war?
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| Daveb |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 19:17:15
Did not realise we were in a conflict. Someone started a civil war? |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 19:13:31
quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
People move for various reasons. Invaders are criticised for imposing will on the countries they invade.
While I see no problem with people moving to different countries they should not expect any country to introduce any alternative to appease them.
Respect their religion and beliefs and they should respect and obey those of the country that has allowed them to settle.
Once these conscessions have been made more hardline elements will follow.
Mediation is already an accepted form of conflict resolution. It is not the introduction of something new. |
| Daveb |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 19:10:28
People move for various reasons. Invaders are criticised for imposing will on the countries they invade.
While I see no problem with people moving to different countries they should not expect any country to introduce any alternative to appease them.
Respect their religion and beliefs and they should respect and obey those of the country that has allowed them to settle.
Once these conscessions have been made more hardline elements will follow. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 18:59:24
quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
Sorry, no way. Move to a country accept the laws.
Mediation is merely a process to try and resolve disputes. It does not claim to be nor should it be regarded as an alternative to the rule of law. And as it so happens mediation is already an accepted format of conflict resolution in this country. So I cannot see where the problem is if both/all parties are willing to accept the mediation of a given mediator; always granted that the proviso is that the arrived at resolution is within keeping of the law as it stands which would be English law in this case. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 18:58:34
quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
Sorry, no way. Move to a country accept the laws.
Mediation is merely a process to try and resolve disputes. It does not claim to be nor should it be regarded as an alternative to the rule of law. And as it so happens mediation is already an accepted format of conflict resolution in this country. So I cannot see where the problem is if both/all parties are willing to accept the mediation of a given mediator; always granted that the proviso is that the arrived at resolution is within keeping of the law as it stands which would be English law in this case. |
| Daveb |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 18:03:02
Sorry, no way. Move to a country accept the laws.
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| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 17:48:09
And personally I cannot see there being a problem with that, provided both parties agree to the mediation and the mediator and any consequences are within keeping of British Law. |
| Tombstone Blues |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 17:00:56
Of course what he ACTUALLY said was this:
"Severe physical punishments such as flogging, stoning and the cutting off of hands would not be acceptable, he said.
He added: "There can be no question of such courts sitting in this country, or such sanctions being applied here.
"So far as the law is concerned, those who live in this country are governed by English and Welsh law and subject to the jurisdiction of the English and Welsh courts."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7488790.stm
He was talking about Sharia mediation in certain disputes. |
| thedelboy |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 15:59:36
Lord chief justice Lord Phillips is obviously a bampot!! have you read the latest?"Sharia law could play a part in the british legal system" is the bloke off his head or what? Just think woman leaves abusive husband finds new love !!ERR excuse me luv but you will be stoned to death!!(One I do like though is stand oin the st with wife and repeat three times "Idivorce thee" quick and cheap divorce no lawyers etc etc) No in all Honesty this is barking he should be disbarred for being senile or something |
| BLONDIE |
Posted - 04/07/2008 : 14:19:03
I wonder when the Muslim powers that be are going to issue "fatwahs" to the BBC, the directors, producers, actors and all those who take part in the excellent TV series "SPOOKS". The latest episode showing the head Muslim man who had just been freed by the High Court assasinated as he left, with the perpetrator shooting himself. This was very near the bone and will be interesting to see if there any outcries from the Muslim community. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 20:00:12
I am not complaining ... beats a pub on every corner I suppose what with the drunks and all |
| Anubis |
Posted - 03/07/2008 : 18:08:42
we are NOT the only ones complaining ..... we are not yet, as in Linz, threatened with a mosque on every corner in the town centre .......
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| BLONDIE |
Posted - 29/06/2008 : 23:51:38
Frankly I'm sick and tired of this lot complaining. If they cannot conform to the laws of the British Isles then I suggest they go forth and multiply and take Allah and the Holy Qur'an with them to somewhere where thay can perform their religious??? practices without let of hindrance. They certainly won't be a loss and we will all benefit by not having to put up with them any more.
corrected spelling error! |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 29/06/2008 : 20:16:05
quote:
Originally posted by Anubis
Yesterday's news:
Ludicrous and totally beyond reason ... As I have stated on another forum on this very issue where another poster stated that "In the next twenty to thirty years we will all be called to prayer five times a day in every city in the UK, and no amount of complaining about your civil rights will ever change whats coming" in response to this news ... and I quote:
"I fail to see the bearing this has on the issue of sniffer dogs and the fact that some Muslim may have complained about it?
I personally am encouraged to think that the fact that British Transport Police has stated that it will still use sniffer dogs as being a fairly good counter argument to your view that the entire country will be turning to Mecca as a matter of course in ten, twenty years time.
Yes, there are cultural issues regarding the use of dogs ... As I grew up with a concentration camp survivor I am well aware of how hard it is for some people to reconcile themselves to the use of dogs in any capacity. But like my mother had to learn in her time, the world does not revolve around her personal fears, however justified nor should it revolve around anyone's personal prejudices regardless of where those prejudices originated from.
And the same holds regarding body scanners! |
| Anubis |
Posted - 29/06/2008 : 20:04:06
quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
Who are the loonies?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7479735.stm
That second film was bloody marvellous, Daveb.
Yesterday's news:
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| BLONDIE |
Posted - 29/06/2008 : 15:02:14
The finest comments on God / spiritual beings et al
was given by Sir David Attenborough in a recent in
depth interview answering questions from Andrew Denton.
This is the first one of a six part series
entitled "ELDERS". |
| Daveb |
Posted - 29/06/2008 : 10:00:22
Who are the loonies?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7479735.stm
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| Anubis |
Posted - 08/04/2008 : 08:51:43
from the Richard Dawkins web site:
The governor of Illinois has been playing some games with state money, shuffling a million dollars to benefit a Baptist church <http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-pilgrim-church-grant-03apr03,1,831514.story> , and an atheist dared to testify to the legislature against this. The response from one legislator was unsurprising: she shrieked at the atheist to get out <http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-change_atheist_bd06apr06,1,4016432.story> .
Rep. Monique Davis (D-Chicago) interrupted atheist activist Rob Sherman during his testimony Wednesday afternoon before the House State Government Administration Committee in Springfield and told him, "What you have to spew and spread is extremely dangerous . . . it's dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!
"This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God," Davis said. "Get out of that seat . . . You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was built upon."
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| Anubis |
Posted - 31/03/2008 : 07:24:50
quote:
Originally posted by camelot
...clipped from my local newspaper
Genes and genius
For Every Action, There Is an Equal and Opposite Internet Reaction (cont'd):
Video report announces gay scientists have isolated the Christian gene at www.tapespace.com/view/The_Christian_Gene
That little video, Camelot, is really the greatest !!
Indeed, thanks to the continued explorations of DNA, the future looks equally marvellous:
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| Tombstone Blues |
Posted - 31/03/2008 : 07:23:28
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| camelot |
Posted - 31/03/2008 : 03:59:39
...clipped from my local newspaper
Genes and genius
For Every Action, There Is an Equal and Opposite Internet Reaction (cont'd):
Video report announces gay scientists have isolated the Christian gene at www.tapespace.com/view/The_Christian_Gene
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| Anubis |
Posted - 28/03/2008 : 08:47:25
quote:
Originally posted by Fluffy Sheep
I`ve heard that Mormons have `magic` underwear, along the same lines as those PJ`s...
You've heard right, Fluff! Read the whole site and you'll even get a sketch! :
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| Fluffy Sheep |
Posted - 27/03/2008 : 20:15:52
I`ve heard that Mormons have `magic` underwear, along the same lines as those PJ`s... |
