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| FUBAR |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 11:06:09
All a big mistake.........
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton_papers/greenhouse_warming_what_greenhouse_warming_.html
Science and Public Policy Institute - Greenhouse Warming? What Greenhouse Warming?
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| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 21:23:19
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Originally posted by Daveb
Good song that! |
| Daveb |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 20:58:50
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| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 20:37:29
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| Daveb |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 20:26:01
I does think a bit much sumtimes! |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 20:24:10
Wow Daveb ... you are waxing lyrical there |
| Daveb |
Posted - 12/06/2008 : 20:14:32
The world works in mysterious ways. The tide is still out but lunar activity continues. The desert sands do not move but many are watching. The lightening strikes but the thunder waits. |
| Daveb |
Posted - 26/05/2008 : 07:31:01
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7419724.stm
Another mad scheme that will no doubt lead to more tax! |
| moon23 |
Posted - 24/04/2008 : 13:15:51
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Originally posted by Anubis
quote:
Originally posted by moon23
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Originally posted by FUBAR
I didn't find the article but merely pass it on. Most responses have been like TBs, the source of funding affects the research so it must be wrong. But it also affects the way people view it. Just because Exxon sponsered it does that mean it is wrong or that the people reading it are being biased against it because Exxon sponsered it? Facts are facts no matter who pays for them if they are presented as facts not changed or altered to fit an arguement.
Scientific theory is not fact, it is a model of best fit which best explains external phenomena. Global warming is not 'a fact' it is a theory which best explains what is happening and what is going to happen. This paper is also a theory which suggests there maybe another reason behind the phenomena ..... this paper is also not 'a fact'. Have you ever read the Bad Science Column in the Guardian. Although it's quite simplistic it does provide some interesting reading on the subject matter for lay people such as I assume we are (any climate scientist please come forth  ) http://www.badscience.net/
and, may I add, Ben Goldacre personally and promptly responds to comments sent to him -- indeed it's worth looking at the Guardian just to check his column (and about to be published book) He's a medical doctor.
But Moon -- all facts are theories. There are no such entities as "proven facts". If you can't see that, help me out by providing me with a single 'fact' -- no tautologies, please!
There are 100 centimeters in a Metere.
Triangles have three sides.
Or would you count these as Tautologies?
All Empirical data are facts, the theory that explains them is a theory. Global warmining is a theory that explain the empirical facts.
Ben Goldache is a judgmental twat that occasionally states the bleeding obvious. Comes out with sweeping statements that likens all humanities graduates as post-modernist and anti-science.
He’s an MD not a PhD and an actual scientist should be doing that column not a journalist.
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| thedelboy |
Posted - 22/04/2008 : 09:27:14
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| Borninhove |
Posted - 22/04/2008 : 08:38:23
TBquote:
The world is round
Well, in fact it is not perfectly round. It is an oblate spheroid (with a bulge around the middle stopping it from being perfectly round).
/Pedantic pedagogue mode off |
| Tombstone Blues |
Posted - 21/04/2008 : 18:35:02
quote:
Originally posted by thedelboy
Global warming is not fact
Of course it isn't. And while we're on the subject of generally accepted scientific theories that are crap, let's look at a few others:
The earth goes round the sun
Absolute rubbish. any sensible person can see that the sun moves across the sky. It's just an excuse to put taxes up.
The world is round
Another load of crap. Go down to the beach. look out. you can see the edge where the ships fall off. If the world was round, there'd be places where people walk upside-down. where are they?
It's just an excuse to put taxes up
The moon is made of rock, not green cheese
Of course it's made of green cheese. It's just too far away for us to see the colour properly. That's why they faked the moon landings.
It's just an excuse to put taxes up
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| long time no see |
Posted - 21/04/2008 : 17:59:18
quote:
Originally posted by thedelboy
Global warming is not fact every hundred years or so the temperature gets warmer then cooler,Ok we have not had such bad ice breaks that have been recorded but who the heck was looking for them to record them ???? this is cobblers to tax us poor under fed over worked saps by the so called carers of the world (governments )this is just to get money so they can keep thier gold plated pensions(told to me by a lad of 14 when I asked what he thought of global warming)
Bang On Right
Del. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 21/04/2008 : 17:56:19
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Originally posted by long time no see
And get buried in a Walmart Card box.
Skinny as Daveb maybe I think he will need a bit more room then that! |
| thedelboy |
Posted - 21/04/2008 : 17:44:50
Global warming is not fact every hundred years or so the temperature gets warmer then cooler,Ok we have not had such bad ice breaks that have been recorded but who the heck was looking for them to record them ???? this is cobblers to tax us poor under fed over worked saps by the so called carers of the world (governments )this is just to get money so they can keep thier gold plated pensions(told to me by a lad of 14 when I asked what he thought of global warming) |
| long time no see |
Posted - 21/04/2008 : 16:47:37
quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
How about...
If you live you will die.
And get buried in a Walmart Card box. |
| Daveb |
Posted - 21/04/2008 : 16:45:40
How about...
If you live you will die. |
| Anubis |
Posted - 21/04/2008 : 15:49:19
quote:
Originally posted by moon23
quote:
Originally posted by FUBAR
I didn't find the article but merely pass it on. Most responses have been like TBs, the source of funding affects the research so it must be wrong. But it also affects the way people view it. Just because Exxon sponsered it does that mean it is wrong or that the people reading it are being biased against it because Exxon sponsered it? Facts are facts no matter who pays for them if they are presented as facts not changed or altered to fit an arguement.
Scientific theory is not fact, it is a model of best fit which best explains external phenomena. Global warming is not 'a fact' it is a theory which best explains what is happening and what is going to happen. This paper is also a theory which suggests there maybe another reason behind the phenomena ..... this paper is also not 'a fact'. Have you ever read the Bad Science Column in the Guardian. Although it's quite simplistic it does provide some interesting reading on the subject matter for lay people such as I assume we are (any climate scientist please come forth ) http://www.badscience.net/
and, may I add, Ben Goldacre personally and promptly responds to comments sent to him -- indeed it's worth looking at the Guardian just to check his column (and about to be published book) He's a medical doctor.
But Moon -- all facts are theories. There are no such entities as "proven facts". If you can't see that, help me out by providing me with a single 'fact' -- no tautologies, please! |
| moon23 |
Posted - 21/04/2008 : 15:45:05
That's quite an impressive ejaculation |
| Daveb |
Posted - 21/04/2008 : 14:59:49
Despite mans best efforts something are still on time!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7358423.stm
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| long time no see |
Posted - 08/09/2007 : 12:44:56
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6981360.stm
With bush down under at Apec
no wonder nothing changes. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 19:41:07
What a great debate
One view on the Ch4 Debate
was 'to help nations in poverty
because what is going on now with the world weather can not be stopped.'
''Institute Of Economics'' Mark Pennington
And No Adds on it.
Tony Juniper made some good comments
and Michael Meacher MP.
But Dr. Vicky Pope saying if we do not do something it will get worse
'hotter.'
What a fool she is
it has gone past that
it has started 'The Weather Changes'
no nation can Stop it.
And one thing for sure
the World Nations are Not united on this. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 19:30:30
On Ch4 at 7:30PM tonight was
The Green Debate.
Ch4 miles above the bbc.
And Unlike the BBC can be watched free on the Internet. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 19:27:55
This is down to New Labour having Control of the BBC Charter.
Making the BBC - Waste of time. |
| moon23 |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 12:07:51
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2934318.ece
Sign Of The Times.
The campaign for Comic relif which helps people in Africa. So why can't they do something on climate change? |
| long time no see |
Posted - 06/09/2007 : 13:39:48
http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2934318.ece
Sign Of The Times. |
| moon23 |
Posted - 06/09/2007 : 12:37:32
quote:
Originally posted by Pennywise
Moons profile:
"I’m also an Environmental campaigner with Friends of the Earth and a Borders Morris dancer. The former helps me to feel I’m giving something back to this beautiful planet we inhabit and the later allows me to dance about like lunatic drinking ale. Well I guess that just about sums me up really."
I'm sorry moon23.
Now I understand and I won't be nasty to you again.
Yes, or i'll set a pack of Morris dancers on you. |
| moon23 |
Posted - 06/09/2007 : 12:36:17
quote:
Originally posted by camelot
quote:
Originally posted by moon23
Scientific theory is not fact, it is a model of best fit which best explains external phenomena. Global warming is not 'a fact' it is a theory which best explains ...
I thought that the earth's temperature increases have been recorded very accurately over time and the data was agreed upon by almost all parties (energy companies included). So for most "global warming" IS a fact...it’s the cause of the warm-up that's being debated. Oil companies are not in a rush to be blamed for it, so they will fund studies that present their side of the story. They will probably not publish studies that are "off message" even if the study produces evidence of a hydrocarbon cause.
Yes sorry you are right. |
| FUBAR |
Posted - 06/09/2007 : 10:07:51
I can see in a few years people running around shouting "UNGREEN, UNGREEN" at non believers. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 06/09/2007 : 05:34:22
There is no doubt that weather patterns are changing globally. To an extent climatic conditions are naturally cyclic. I have no doubt that industrialisation has, to an extent, contributed to this. To what extent it has contributed is something we may never know for certain.
This bandwagon hopping is merely a form of mass hysteria fuelled by environmental fanatics on the one hand and fed by capital driven industrialist on the other. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 05/09/2007 : 21:36:21
The Problem with all this
is even without all this Pollution/Corruption.
The World Shape & Weather
could go like this anyway.
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