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| long time no see |
Posted - 23/04/2008 : 19:35:51
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/pm-calls-on-schools-to-stay-open-despite-teachers-strike-814055.html
Many Parents are very angry
at this Strike Tomorrow.
Life Under New Labour. |
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| moon23 |
Posted - 28/04/2008 : 10:00:32
quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
It was on the Radio.
So you can not see it.
But you hear them Angry at the Teachers Strike.
Life In The City.
It was on the Radio. You cannot see it. Therefore you cannot see how edited it was either. But that is not the point really LTNS. The fact is that it is but a small audience - relative to the rest of the population.
Having said that, unlike you who appears to feel this urgent need to be marching to the same drumbeat as what you perceive the majority to be marching to, I have my own, idiosyncratic I'll admit, view. I determine my view on the basis of what I know and my own, highly personal again, experience of the world. I neither seek nor care whether that view is 'contemporary' enough for your liking or whether my view coincides with the majority - overwhelming or otherwise.
I imagine that many of us posting on these forums have our own views on things. Sometimes they may actually agree with the views expressed by others. Other times they may be at odds. Such is the nature of the beast LTNS, especially when discussing various issues.
I would therefore greatly appreciate it if in future you would refrain from making comments about the validity of views held by others and instead restrict yourself to either merely stating your own view and the reasons therefore ... if you feel the need to elaborate that is. You are of course at perfect liberty to discuss the points of view other posters have proffered. However that would mean engaging in an exchange of ideas, not just a pronouncement that they are wrong.
It would also be greatly appreciated if you actually managed to refrain from patronising other posters by dismissing their view as being either outdated or unsupported by the average Daily Mail/Sun/Mirror reader.
(By the way, I am fully aware that this above post will in all likelihood fall on stony ground. Still, every so often I really have this urge to try and bring you back from planet Zog. And though I know that you are unlikely to return earth-side ... I'm probably wasting my time but what the hey ... it is mine to waste!)
Mim you are wasting breath.
This is still a free country.
LTNS can post what he wants. |
| thedelboy |
Posted - 27/04/2008 : 10:06:22
So Lt how come on the "BBC" "ITV" channel 5 all the interviews with parents seemed to support the teachers strike the only real negative reporting was by channel 4?? I have many friends who are either teachers or ex teachers;I have spoken to them and not one of them were or are happy at the way teachers are treated. It has taken the "NUT" to actually stand up for thier members whereas other teaching unions caved in at the very begining! It seems you do not agree on fair working environments or fair pay (In line with inflation)that says to me you work as either a solicitor or you work for local government cos you lot are the only assholes that do not have to worry about salary or your gold plated pension(FACT????) |
| long time no see |
Posted - 27/04/2008 : 08:59:15
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/anyquestions.shtml
Your post is not a waste of time
it is your very own view.
The Bloated BBC did not need any special Editing
and also Big Anger on the follow up Phone in.
This Teachers Strike does Not have Public support.
FACT. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 27/04/2008 : 00:22:37
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
It was on the Radio.
So you can not see it.
But you hear them Angry at the Teachers Strike.
Life In The City.
It was on the Radio. You cannot see it. Therefore you cannot see how edited it was either. But that is not the point really LTNS. The fact is that it is but a small audience - relative to the rest of the population.
Having said that, unlike you who appears to feel this urgent need to be marching to the same drumbeat as what you perceive the majority to be marching to, I have my own, idiosyncratic I'll admit, view. I determine my view on the basis of what I know and my own, highly personal again, experience of the world. I neither seek nor care whether that view is 'contemporary' enough for your liking or whether my view coincides with the majority - overwhelming or otherwise.
I imagine that many of us posting on these forums have our own views on things. Sometimes they may actually agree with the views expressed by others. Other times they may be at odds. Such is the nature of the beast LTNS, especially when discussing various issues.
I would therefore greatly appreciate it if in future you would refrain from making comments about the validity of views held by others and instead restrict yourself to either merely stating your own view and the reasons therefore ... if you feel the need to elaborate that is. You are of course at perfect liberty to discuss the points of view other posters have proffered. However that would mean engaging in an exchange of ideas, not just a pronouncement that they are wrong.
It would also be greatly appreciated if you actually managed to refrain from patronising other posters by dismissing their view as being either outdated or unsupported by the average Daily Mail/Sun/Mirror reader.
(By the way, I am fully aware that this above post will in all likelihood fall on stony ground. Still, every so often I really have this urge to try and bring you back from planet Zog. And though I know that you are unlikely to return earth-side ... I'm probably wasting my time but what the hey ... it is mine to waste!) |
| long time no see |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 23:31:42
It was on the Radio.
So you can not see it.
But you hear them Angry at the Teachers Strike.
Life In The City. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 23:23:26
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
He asked them.
You are so out of touch
on this.
Not enough people care.
Of course someone asked them. I asked you if you saw a show of hands.
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| long time no see |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 22:50:48
He asked them.
You are so out of touch
on this.
Not enough people care. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 22:45:15
You saw a show of hands did you? On the radio? |
| long time no see |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 22:01:59
Miriam
what about the Audience
So it was not just 4.
FACT. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 21:56:13
Just those four? Hardly typical of the average parent are they? |
| long time no see |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 21:39:14
quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Who was on the panel LTNS?
HAZEL BLEARS MP: Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government
ERIC PICKLES MP: Shadow Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government
Professor COLIN BLAKEMORE: neurobiologist + former chief executive of Medical Research Council
LORD (TIM) RAZZALL: Liberal Democrat spokesman for Trade and Industry in the House of Lords
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| long time no see |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 21:33:34
quote:
Originally posted by thedelboy
LT can you once and for all "back up or shut up"???? it really gets boring you once posted and made some of us think(ok I have a small brain ) it is about time after all the cr*p you come out with you either put up or shut up!!!!
I think you should Cease to be Rude.
That would be best. |
| thedelboy |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 21:31:22
LT can you once and for all "back up or shut up"???? it really gets boring you once posted and made some of us think(ok I have a small brain) it is about time after all the cr*p you come out with you either put up or shut up!!!! |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 21:02:20
Who was on the panel LTNS? |
| Daveb |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 20:44:49
They can always come and drive buses in Brighton. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 13:18:24
Typical of the teachers.
On Radio 4 Question Time
No One person had any support for the Teachers Strike.
Sign Of The Times. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 09:27:43
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Bleedin' Typical.
Life In The City.
Bleedin' typical of what LTNS? Moon style posts? |
| long time no see |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 09:24:50
quote:
Originally posted by moon23
All the teachers I know are just good at moaning lots, when they don't realize how easy they have it.
Bleedin' Typical.
Life In The City. |
| moon23 |
Posted - 25/04/2008 : 13:25:22
Yea just like every other job! There is always a demand for more reporting and information these days so everyone has more bloody paperwork to do.
It's hard for the first few years when you are thinking up new lessons, but once you have them sorted then you can use them again and again.
All the teachers I know are just good at moaning lots, when they don't realize how easy they have it. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 25/04/2008 : 12:20:23
They don't get enough non-contact hours in the day to make up for all the non-contact work they have to do. Believe me, I know - I've worked with teachers and to do the job properly, especially with all the additional paperwork that has been dumped on them over the past few years, requires more hours then a day has. |
| moon23 |
Posted - 25/04/2008 : 12:12:04
quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
A teacher does not just work the hours that the shcool is open for pupils. There are parent evenings and mentoring sessions. Increasingly there is a demand for reports and consultations with other 'professionals' ... In addition there are hours that are spent updating their knowledge as the world moves ever on and so does what we expect our children to learn. And all that is without the prep time needed before and the marking time needed after every lesson.
The twelve or so weeks that the school is closed is not all 'me-time' for teachers ...
I know, but they do get non-contact hours during the normal school week in addition to teacher training days. Also most people do 9-5 so they get two hours from when school finishes around 3ish.
Lot's of other job's require people to do additional work outside of the hours they actually have to be somewhere and you don't get the 12 weeks.
For instance academics have to publish research papers, attend conferences and do research but only get the normal 4 weeks like everyone else.
I do think all public sector workers should get more pay and that there is a huge divide between the have's and have not's in our society. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 25/04/2008 : 10:55:31
A teacher does not just work the hours that the shcool is open for pupils. There are parent evenings and mentoring sessions. Increasingly there is a demand for reports and consultations with other 'professionals' ... In addition there are hours that are spent updating their knowledge as the world moves ever on and so does what we expect our children to learn. And all that is without the prep time needed before and the marking time needed after every lesson.
The twelve or so weeks that the school is closed is not all 'me-time' for teachers ... |
| moon23 |
Posted - 25/04/2008 : 10:50:55
Their pay is not great, but they get 12 weeks or so holliday, of which they may spend one or two doing prep.
Many new teachers also get part of their student loans paid off and money to help with their qualifications in the first place.
Life is hard for many these days. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 25/04/2008 : 10:50:30
Funny enough a straw poll and admittedly in the Argus but just over 50% of all those asked agreed with the teachers going on strike. |
| thedelboy |
Posted - 25/04/2008 : 10:42:46
Do you work for channel 4 LT? the reason I ask is that you always seem to qoute them,now the ITV channels seem to have given a different perspective than you have(As did the BBC) most parents who have been interviewed by reporters have given full support to the teachers strike,of course there is always one who bucks the trend,I niether disagree or agree with the strike ;I do agree that if you give a decent service then you deserve a decent wage |
| long time no see |
Posted - 24/04/2008 : 17:17:43
Yes it is Bloody Outrageous.
Vote New Labour Out of Office.
Brown is Doing Nothing
so more Strikes may follow.
Childcare costs £7 per hour or more
so that is £56 for the day of many parents
and No Help from Un Elected Brown. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 24/04/2008 : 17:00:17
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
The NUT Teachers marched through Brighton this morning
shouting about the Pay.
No one cares.
Life Under New Labour.
You may not care LTNS but many people do. I think it outrageous that people who carry the responsibility of educating our young are having to fight for a living wage while you have the likes of 'celebs' raking it in. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 24/04/2008 : 15:51:57
The NUT Teachers marched through Brighton this morning
shouting about the Pay.
No one cares.
Life Under New Labour. |
| Borninhove |
Posted - 24/04/2008 : 05:14:43
I've been teaching for 22 years yet never in a country/part of the profession where there was a union. Unionisation is frowned upon in the EFL world, alas, so we occasionally run across some pretty shabby treatment. However, we have the luxury of ours being a fairly transient business, so if you are paid peanuts / given no resources / made to work unreasonable overtime it is fairly easy just to pack your bags and move on, something that 'real' teachers don't really have the chance to do, being much more tied to their communities.
So, what is the deal here? Teachers want 4% instead of 2.4% pay increase. Well, I don't know about back home, but here prices have been rising steadily all year, especially food prices, and if you don't keep the teachers in affordable instant coffee and Hobnobs then the whole edifice of education could come crumbling down. |
| long time no see |
Posted - 23/04/2008 : 20:54:48
Parents are Up In Arms
in many places.
The Police - Who are they?
under CORRUPT New Labour
it is all day light hours with No Police - Just Community Workers
in Real Police clothes.
Life Under New Labour. |
