| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| long time no see |
Posted - 21/05/2007 : 19:09:48
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1266628,00.html
Will this return to the Lebanon - Syria Battles,
or will the Army keep a Lid on it.
Ch4 News Live
spoke to a Journalist out there
who can not get near the place
as the Army are blocking everyone out. |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 30/05/2007 : 11:46:39
Balance? You dare talk of balance in the same breath as that huge country Israel against those small beleaguered Arab nations? |
| Borninhove |
Posted - 30/05/2007 : 11:22:14
On the strangely silent mediaquote:
Last week, the Lebanese army attacked a squalid Palestinian refugee camp that's become infested with Islamist suicide terrorists and guerilla fighters. On May 20, government troops surrounded the camp, with tanks and artillery pieces shelling it at close range. Army snipers gunned down anything that moved. At least 18 civilians were killed, and dozens more injured. Water and electricity were cut off. By week's end, much of the camp had been turned into deserted rubble. Thousands of terrified residents fleeing the camp reported harrowing stories of famished, parched families trapped in their basements. At present the death toll is 45 and still climbing.
How did the rest of the world react? The Arab League quickly condemned "the criminal and terrorist acts carried out by the terrorist group known as Fatah al-Islam," and vowed to "give its full support to the efforts of the army and the Lebanese government." EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana also condemned Fatah al-Islam, and declared Europe's "support" for Lebanon. And the UN Security Council called the actions of Fatah al-Islam "an unacceptable attack" on Lebanon's sovereignty. As for the Western media, most outlets ignored the story following the first flurry of news reports.
At this point, please indulge me by re-reading the first paragraph of this column -- except this time, substitute the world "Israeli" for "Lebanese" in the first sentence.
The guy makes some very good points in the rest of the article, especially concerning the massive hypocrisy there is when it comes to the coverage of Israel.
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| Borninhove |
Posted - 26/05/2007 : 03:48:46
And just in case you have forgotten who is encouraging a fair amount of the trouble in Lebanon:
Ahmadinejad "If this year you repeat the same mistake of the last year, the ocean of nations of the region will get angry and will cut the root of the Zionist regime from its stem"
This would be the same "ocean of nations of the region" that is so keen on seeing Ahmadinejad-led Iranian dominance of the Middle East, is it?
Meanwhile, Ahmadinejad's puppet has been allowed out of his hiding place for a while, to tell the (elected) government of Lebanon (that's the one the people wanted, not the one Nasrallah's thugs have been trying to foist upon them) that they should not "cross the red line" and wipe out the small group of jihadists that have decided to exploit the Palestinian refugees (oh, there's a surprise) and make their lives hell.Says the puppet:quote:
"Does it concern us that we start a conflict with al-Qaeda in Lebanon and consequently attract members and fighters of al-Qaeda from all over the world to Lebanon to conduct their battle with the Lebanese army and the rest of the Lebanese?"
Gosh, Nasrallah, you do know your lines well.
For a decent assessment of the situation, Amir Taheri seems to have it nailed:
http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=9064
A small group of mostly foreign Jihadis attack the Lebanese army and then blame the whole thing on the USA and Israel. And there will be plenty of guillable chumps who will go along with this. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 25/05/2007 : 12:13:22
Oh I understand the answer alright Avro, I just don't happen to think that it addresses the post you are responding to but then very few if any of your posts do so that isn't surprising.
When you start showing an inkling of understanding of the Middle East I might start taking your posts seriously. Until then, they are just the ravings of a bigot.
I see though that you do know how to post links. Surprising therefore that you appear incapable of that with regards to your Vietnamese posts. Still, once a bigot ... |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 25/05/2007 : 12:09:29
Oh I understand the answer alright Avro, I just don't happen to think that it addresses the post you are repsonding to but then very few if any of your posts do so that isn't surprising.
When you start showing an inkling of understanding of the Middle East I might start taking your posts seriously. Until then, they are just the ravings of a bigot. |
| n/a |
Posted - 25/05/2007 : 11:01:49
Mir You dont understand the answer to your question.
Again israel considers all of palestine to be its home.
IE, It is as if I considered all of goldstone road to be under my jurisdiction instead one terraced maisonette.
Hamas voters are not necessarily Islamic fanatics (some of them are even Christians), but are all fed-up with the Fatah-led corruption. This notorious corruption is partly of a Palestinian brand, partly inspired by Israel and the Oslo system: quite a few Israelis made a fortune by dubious businesses with corrupt Palestinian monopoly owners, monopolies granted by Arafat to win his clique's support. The Palestinians used the democratic elections to punish the corrupt party.
http://www.antiwar.com/hacohen/?articleid=8501
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| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 25/05/2007 : 00:25:36
quote:
Originally posted by avro
Mir, exactly Israel does consider all of palestine to be under Israel jurisdiction, and
in fact it is. Of course israel does not want millions of refugees returning to the palestinian side of the wall.
You know it would be nice if just once in a while you actually bothered to respond to posts as they stand instead of just going on in your bigoted way. |
| n/a |
Posted - 24/05/2007 : 23:57:01
Mir, exactly Israel does consider all of palestine to be under Israel jurisdiction, and
in fact it is. Of course israel does not want millions of refugees returning to the palestinian side of the wall. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 24/05/2007 : 20:48:58
quote:
Originally posted by avro
Mir, the israelis do not want a return of palestinian refugees to Palestine.
That which is the palestinian part, the bit on the other side of the wall.
Avro, would you welcome into your home someone who has publicly proclaimed that he wants to see you and your family blown to smithereens? Maybe you would, maybe you would hand then the fuse and even light it for them. |
| nightbird |
Posted - 24/05/2007 : 20:39:38
Well Syria can have these Islamic militants, nobody else wants them. Wonder why?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6689567.stm |
| n/a |
Posted - 24/05/2007 : 10:31:34
Night bird, that is one problem that already exists in Syria.
In Syria 110,450 palestinian refugees in camps and 306,896 not in camps.
That makes 417,346 palestinian refugees in Syria,
there is bound to be so called syrian involvement
in Lebanon, but a lot of it is from palestinians in Syria.
http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/mepp/new_prrn/background/index.htm
Mir, the israelis do not want a return of palestinian refugees to Palestine.
That which is the palestinian part, the bit on the other side of the wall. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 24/05/2007 : 00:58:14
quote:
Originally posted by avro
Mir palestinians cannot get into their land without permission from the israelis
and the israelis do not want them there.
What a mess
Yes, well funny that ... still I suppose that trying to walk in with loads of explosives strapped to your chest would make even the most hospitable think twice about asking you in. |
| nightbird |
Posted - 23/05/2007 : 22:58:19
Theres aways Syria than can go to..... |
| n/a |
Posted - 23/05/2007 : 22:51:46
Mir palestinians cannot get into their land without permission from the israelis
and the israelis do not want them there.
What a mess |
| long time no see |
Posted - 23/05/2007 : 19:47:33
Ch4 News showed a bloodbath
that went down. |
| nightbird |
Posted - 23/05/2007 : 18:39:26
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_jordan_expel_plo.php
No choices left for the Lebanon, they need to drive these militants forces out....... |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 23/05/2007 : 11:13:49
quote:
Originally posted by avro
Yes and they still live in camps and are still not citizens of the country they are born in,
with the exception of Jordan.
Exactly so, they still live in camps and who keeps these third and fourth generation residents in camps ... the very countries whose purpose it serves to keep a large section of humanity as displaced people.
Ever thought why Jordan is the exception? |
| n/a |
Posted - 23/05/2007 : 10:55:50
Yes and they still live in camps and are still not citizens of the country they are born in,
with the exception of Jordan.
Unfortunately for the palestinians the only country they could be free in is
whats left of palestine, but they are not even allowed to go back there.
They have to make a deal with Israel who are tough and will give little,
but a little is better than what their present situation is. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 23/05/2007 : 10:50:38
quote:
Originally posted by avro
I am not to sure that any country wishes upon themselves 100s of thousands of refugees.
I suspect the refugees left their country because it was impossible for them to stay there.
The palestinians are the loosers not the victims, it is time for them to
do the best deal they can with the west, that includes israel.
Some of the Palestinian in those Arab countries are third and even fourth generation 'residents'. It isn't something that happened overnight or even in the course of the last few months. |
| n/a |
Posted - 23/05/2007 : 10:48:01
I am not to sure that any country wishes upon themselves 100s of thousands of refugees.
I suspect the refugees left their country because it was impossible for them to stay there.
The palestinians are the loosers not the victims, it is time for them to
do the best deal they can with the west, that includes israel. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 22/05/2007 : 22:17:27
They need not be ... doomed that is. They are a proud and resourceful people. As long as they allow themselves to be used as pawns by everyone, the Arab nations, some of their own people as well as the Israeli and various other international factors, they will remain victims. |
| n/a |
Posted - 22/05/2007 : 21:58:47
In the big global power picture they are not players
and of little interest to the big boys.
the troubles of the middle east are piddling
in comparison to what the big boys are capable of.
The palestine conflicts are localised and just a game for the BB,
that includes iraq and afghanistan, small bier.
I sympathise with the palestinians but their cause is lost.
They would settle tommorow for the pre 67 borders, but
that is not going to happen. They are doomed. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 22/05/2007 : 21:43:08
You really think very little of the Palestinians don't you. |
| n/a |
Posted - 22/05/2007 : 21:33:09
It helped iran and iraq so much so they had a war for 10 years
It helped lebanon they had a civil war for 10 years
Jordon syria and saudi and israel had cheap labour. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 22/05/2007 : 21:15:18
quote:
Originally posted by avro
Yes it has helped Saudi, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Iran for cheap labour, and israel for a few years, not now of course.
No Avro, it wasn't just cheap labour. |
| n/a |
Posted - 22/05/2007 : 21:13:37
Yes it has helped Saudi, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Iran for cheap labour, and israel for a few years, not now of course. |
| Miriam Binder |
Posted - 22/05/2007 : 21:07:57
quote:
Originally posted by avro
BIH. also that the palestinians should be given citizenship in all the countries
that house palestinian refugees?
This has only happened in Jordan.
Yes a hopeless situation that will continue for 3 more generations.
Difficult to find one person to blame for the whole sorry mess.
Maybe it is only Gods work. Amen
It has served the Arab Nations well to keep this unfortunate group in permanent displaced status. |
| n/a |
Posted - 22/05/2007 : 21:02:47
BIH. also that the palestinians should be given citizenship in all the countries
that house palestinian refugees?
This has only happened in Jordan.
Yes a hopeless situation that will continue for 3 more generations.
Difficult to find one person to blame for the whole sorry mess.
Maybe it is only Gods work. Amen |
| Borninhove |
Posted - 22/05/2007 : 15:45:35
Solution to what? The current situation in northern Lebanon? The current situation in southern Lebanon?
As to the former, it seems like a ceasefire has been declared by the jihadists to let UN trucks carrying food and water in.
If you mean to the problem of Palestinian refugees who have been kept in "refugee camps" by Arab nations for 60 years, well, I think had they been given citizenship to the countries their relatives fled to, like the million Jews kicked out of their homes throughout the Arab World were given Israeli citizenship, then many of the current problems could have been avoided. Instead, they have been kept apart from the nations in which they have been living, treated as a political football by cynical Arab leaders and been forced to live an existence dependent on UN charity.
What would my solution be? Give them citizenship of the country they and many of their parents were born in. That would be a start.
However, seeing how no solution has been found over the last 60 years I doubt anything either you or I come up with on a Forum would have any realistic chance of working.
Let me try the avro method though:
avro says that the final solution must be the destruction of Israel, only that way can fairness happen
avro thinks all the jews must be pushed into the sea
avro has stated many times that this is the only way
avro is wise and has all the answers
How's that? |
| FUBAR |
Posted - 22/05/2007 : 15:30:34
quote:
Originally posted by avro
BIH thankyou for you blessings,
but, what is your solution?
Enhanced radiation neutron bombs spread generally throughout the area....... |
