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camelot
Barsoom
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 Posted - 28/12/2007 : 07:06:06
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Once again, remove the "iron fist" and you have a political vacuum. Add democracy into the mix and you have..Hamas in Palestine. I cannot see how her death could benefit anyone but the extremists, and therefore have trouble assigning the blame to Musharraf. Although, I would have thought it was in his best interests to insure that her life continued....Of course I may be biased as Musharraf's brother lives nearby, and has worked with my sister in the ER at Hospital...
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/715228,brother122707.article |
Edited by - camelot on 28/12/2007 07:08:08 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2007 : 08:36:25
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| I think I must agree with you Camelot ... Musharraf has done much to recommend him as a villain but this cannot do anything but undermine him. Therefore, temping as it may be to sign up to that particular conspiracy theory, I must decline. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2007 : 13:15:06
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| Independent inquiry should probe Bhutto case: imran-khan |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2007 : 18:32:32
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1298521,00.html
The 10 or more Doctors
that tried to save her say it was the Blast that killed her,
not the AK47 shots
Of course the Bomber who died holds all the keys.
What is most sad is she was so happy after that rally.
India TV NDTV
says America is to fast to blame
without all the facts. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2007 : 19:51:58
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
The 10 or more Doctors
that tried to save her say it was the Blast that killed her,
And there I could have sworn that on Radio four newscast they said that what killed her was neither the bullets or shrapnel but in fact the bump on the head she got when she fell over. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2007 : 20:02:16
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Of course
caused by the Massive Blast. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 28/12/2007 : 21:54:30
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Of course
caused by the Massive Blast.
Yes dear ... but even you must admit that there is always a cause for a fall. And that it isn't the fall that kills ye but the landing! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 29/12/2007 : 08:10:11
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Miriam
it is all on the Link I posted.
It was a Massive Bomb,
no one is in any dispute.
Update:8:30AM
Bhutto Aide says she died from a bullet wound to the head.
SkyNews Live. |
Edited by - long time no see on 29/12/2007 08:28:49 |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2207 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 08:08:07
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quote:
Originally posted by Denise
Pakistan is an "unnatural" country, a patchwork of ethnicities, tribalities, differing religious interpretations (and even religious minorities), much of its population culturally and intellectually anchored in the Middle Ages, some of it progressive and modern.
The Pashtun peasant is as intellectually and culturally (as well as socially) so far removed from his educated Sindhi compatriot in Karachi that the two might be from different planets.
Democracy does not flower in such a situation.
Apart from the fact that they live and breathe, there is no equivalence between them, and nor will there be for decades (and probably more) to come.
Pakistan is, I'm quite sure, one of those "nations" that is not a nation, and one that can only ever be held together at gunpoint. It will, for the forseeable future, be a kind of dictatorship pretending to be a kind of democracy, and should it ever become a "democracy" (for the expediency of western politicians rather than as a reflection of on-the-ground realities) it will be (as it always was) as a "democracy" that looks very like dictatorship.
You can say this about many countries, including the UK! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 09:21:09
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| Nations are political entities and as such they are necessarily social constructs rather then spontaneous organisms. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2207 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 10:47:06
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Everyone expected this.
Therefore did she make herself a martyr to further another end?
Is she really dead?
Conspiracy theory ahead! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 19:04:23
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More Brand New Live Camera & Video Images
shown on UK Ch4 News
it looks like a pathetic Cover Up.
No one else within that Bomb Proof Car
died and 3 shots were fired One hitting her?
making her go down fast.
To hide or mix up the Truth of her Death
is making all this worse. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2207 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 19:30:42
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| Not dead and all a plot to see her son elected! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 19:48:00
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Dave
if only that was true.
Around 21 Died near to her.
Also ,
I do not think that young 19 year old is good enough
for such a job.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 20:00:37
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| It's a matter of dynasty ... |
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nightowl
Barsoom
259 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 21:38:40
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General Pervez Musharraf must go, this man is devious and treacherous he imprisons ot kills anybody that challenges him.
He and his henchmen had more than their hand in this assassination, eliminating the opposition by assassination is the politics of Pakistan.
Hope Brown and the UK government give him no help whatsoever.... |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 21:55:01
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quote:
Originally posted by nightowl
General Pervez Musharraf must go, this man is devious and treacherous he imprisons ot kills anybody that challenges him.
He and his henchmen had more than their hand in this assassination, eliminating the opposition by assassination is the politics of Pakistan.
Hope Brown and the UK government give him no help whatsoever....
Yes Blown Up
would be best. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 21:57:08
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Originally posted by long time no see
Yes Blown Up
would be best.
Sometimes I think there is little to chose between you and all those Evil Bush/Brown/Bin Laden/etcetera etcetera you keep ranting about ... you are as blood thirsty as they are! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 22:09:03
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Reason why
it would be better that way
all the Locals will be happy,
and Evil GW Bush would then be
stuck.
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nightowl
Barsoom
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Posted - 30/12/2007 : 22:11:14
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| Must be devastating for the People of Pakistan thinking a new dawn of democracy was on the horizon then to be stolen from them by an act of such barbarity. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 22:13:20
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Reason why
it would be better that way
all the Locals will be happy,
and Evil GW Bush would then be
stuck.
Your political acumen has to be seen to be believed LTNS   |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 30/12/2007 : 22:58:10
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Which democracy Nightowl? Yours? Mine? American or perhaps democracy as the Dutch or Danes or French see it? For the people, by the people? It doesn't really work like that though does it ... Oh we say it quick enough but in reality it is by the elected for the status quo. There are as many democracies as there are nations practising it and who is to say one way is better then another?
http://www.inclusivedemocracy.org/journal/ss/ch11.htm |
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nightowl
Barsoom
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 31/12/2007 : 01:56:38
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| Which still leaves the question Nightowl? Which democracy? |
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Borninhove
Discworld
1028 Posts |
Posted - 31/12/2007 : 03:49:41
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| Poor kid. He should be back in Oxford enjoying his youth rather than painting a giant target on his back. What does he know about Pakistan? He's been living in London and Dubai for most of his life. Dynasty politics is sad ... carry it on for too long and you end up with Prince Charles! |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2207 Posts |
Posted - 31/12/2007 : 09:31:56
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Dave
if only that was true.
Around 21 Died near to her.
Also ,
I do not think that young 19 year old is good enough
for such a job.
They had to make it look good.
He will only be a figurehead, others will apply the policy that was laid down by his mother.
He will have to learn.
It depends on who he learns from and who he takes aid from.
His mothers "death" ensures he will be elected. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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nightowl
Barsoom
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Posted - 01/01/2008 : 00:59:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Which still leaves the question Nightowl? Which democracy?
Democracy comes in various strengths that are dictated by social attitudes and customs, it sometime slips back into tyranny as in Kenya at the moment but no reason to abandon its principles.
Probably the most difficult doctrine to practise but anything worth having never comes cheap...... |
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Anubis
Barsoom
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Posted - 01/01/2008 : 09:42:37
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 01/01/2008 : 11:55:18
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| Gorgeous George's heartbreaks would mean a lot more did he not parade them so willingly. |
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Pakistan Benazir Bhutto Killed
