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nightowl
Barsoom
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 Posted - 14/11/2007 : 00:26:28
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Now this story makes me very angry,I remember when the Falklands memorial service took place many badly injured veterans were excluded from taking part.
Plenty of room for politicians and the great and powerful who were never there, this country is real shite at times....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,,2209307,00.html
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/11/2007 : 00:57:07
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| I suppose it would be difficult to keep up the facade of all's going fine and dandy and according to plan if people were to see 19 year old soldiers maimed marching past. Not only that but it would also serve to make the point that our 'Remembrance' is an act of the moment, we haven't learned much from all those earlier sacrifices have we? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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camelot
Barsoom
USA
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Posted - 14/11/2007 : 02:40:30
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Yes, brought to you by the same types that will label you as "against the troops" when you point out that planning, implementation, and justification for this war is a bit off ... Seems a bit like "just go home now, nothing to see here, that's a good lad"
Brings back memories of this..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3652171.stm |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2268 Posts |
Posted - 14/11/2007 : 07:21:05
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| If they cannot take part in the parade, they should be allowed to have pride of place in the crowd. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1186 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2007 : 17:31:07
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| I think it`s just completely ridiculous. The British Legion is a registered CHARITY. The Government have no damn right to tell it who can participate in it`s parade! |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2007 : 17:35:05
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Fluffy
Stinking New Labour
are the Worst ever UK power.
They get away with Murder.
Life In The City. |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1186 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2007 : 19:21:30
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| This isn`t Murder, LT, but it`s a very sad case of Bullshit! |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2268 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2007 : 19:28:44
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Lest We Forget is the motto of RBL.
The Cenotaph, made from Portland stone, was unveiled in 1920. The inscription reads simply "The Glorious Dead".
We need to show the wounded on these parades to highlight how many of them are forgotten.
It may also remind the politicians of how their actions can affect people who are ready to lay their lives on the line.
Not their expense accounts, paid for second homes, nice high pensions......etc .........etc
Get their arses to the front line! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2007 : 19:55:15
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Who best to remember then those maimed in the service of their country and who best to help us remember but the sight of those maimed in the service of their country ... A list of names is one thing but fleeting and soon forgotten, the sight of a young erstwhile active and virile man in a wheelchair is something you are not going to forget in a hurry.
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1186 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2007 : 21:23:55
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I get to deal with a fair few young and erstwhile active and virile chaps who may/may not live out their days in wheelchairs, and , ok, they`ve not acquired brain damage that renders their limbs `not their own` through Active Service.
But how disgustingly CRUEL, to bar these young men from joining in this annual tribute to the fallen of `our armed forces` but their mates, and especially on the grounds that they are `serving members` - as if they`ll be off `back to the front` again in a week or two, or EVER.
It really stinks. |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2268 Posts |
Posted - 18/11/2007 : 13:06:17
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7100298.stm
It seems the living and healthy are getting a raw deal as well.
I have seen some pretty grotty married quarters and barracks are not always great but generally suitable.
There is no surprise that the troops are overworked.
Successive governments have slashed the numbers and upped the work load!!
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We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1186 Posts |
Posted - 18/11/2007 : 17:34:37
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| Is it really surprising that soldiers returning from active service are met with indifference, when there`s an equally indifferent response from many to folks in police and fire service? I think it`s all part of the same rot, myself. Some nobody gets his/her face on the telly, however, and suddenly is hailed as a celebrity for taking part in some godawful `reality` show. And if you ask youngsters who their `heroes` are, it`s a fair bet that the perceived heroism involves kicking a ball around or caterwauling down a microphone... |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/11/2007 : 17:56:44
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| I was at the Stien in Brighton for Rememberance day,A few cadets a few old soldiers loads of dignatories and the usual token serving members,No ne of the recently maimed.Having said that it was a moving time |
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Horseman7
Barsoom
United Kingdom
161 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2007 : 00:05:41
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They were out in Aldershot.
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Daveb
Earthsea
2268 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2008 : 14:39:39
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A little while back there was some talk of special services or another day for "minorities".
Maybe
Maybe if we all have tolerance and understanding
We can all have the freedom of speech that so many died protecting
They were from all races, creeds and colours
We remember them all on eleven, eleven and pray they rest peacefully in heaven
To introduce a day especially for lesbian, straight, black or gay
Serves no purpose, except to divide, which leaves none of us with pride
So rejoice and remember on the one day in November
They fought and died protecting their countries, families and friends
Maybe then we can all live together and not bicker over who says what, when or whoever!
Maybe?
Daveb
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2008 : 15:02:23
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| I agree Daveb ... all this 'you-remember-yours-and-I'll-remember-mine' is ludicrous and undermines what we are actually needing to remember. They fought and died protecting their countries, their families and friends. Some of them merely boys straight from school. Remember them all! |
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nightowl
Barsoom
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Posted - 02/02/2008 : 20:18:18
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There was a time when relatives were charge for the blanket of the soldier that was buried in, killed fighting for his country, makes you so proud to be British what...
Another story that broke this week, what a couragous man....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7222653.stm |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2008 : 20:36:33
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| Wonderful story nightowl. I applaud the man! |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
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Posted - 04/02/2008 : 01:06:29
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That`s fair comment Daveb, and nicely put.
Nightowl, you`ve brought another kind of hero to our attention. |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2268 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2008 : 20:30:48
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The British government has a long history of shafting loyal servicemen and their families, unless you are an officer of course, by jove.
This does not diminish the honour we should give the lost souls.
Agreed, there were many brave acts by others that should be remembered.
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Daveb
Earthsea
2268 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2008 : 20:28:52
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Now on BBC1 Panorama.
Troops back from Afganistan, how they cope, how they are treated and what they think! |
We're all doomed!
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BLONDIE
Barsoom
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 04:31:46
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BLONDIE
Barsoom
218 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 04:32:49
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It's Tommy this and Tommy that,
And kick him out the Brute.
But he's the Saviour of our Counry
When the guns begin to shoot.
From "TOMMY" by Rudyard Kipling
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Anubis
Barsoom
281 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 07:32:43
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quote:
Originally posted by BLONDIE
It's Tommy this and Tommy that,
And kick him out the Brute.
But he's the Saviour of our Counry
When the guns begin to shoot.
From "TOMMY" by Rudyard Kipling
Nothing changes !
Except, in this case, BLONDIE, I haven't yet noticed anyone arguing seriously that these kids were "saving our country" from imminent Afgan invasion. When Watson entertained Holmes in Baker Street the discussion sometimes ranged on the 'battles for Empire" in Afghanistan -- the only difference today is it's the Americanee oil 'empire'. Old soldiers never die, as the saying goes .... but lots of young ones still do! |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2268 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 09:50:16
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That is a very sad fact of life.
It may well be that they are also dying in a pointless conflict.
One of the point of Panorma was the way they are given very little support when at home (more now than previuosly, perhaps) and these young people may be a lot better than some of the scumbags and ungrateful people that benefit from their protection. |
We're all doomed!
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Anubis
Barsoom
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 12:03:33
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Originally posted by Daveb
That is a very sad fact of life.
It may well be that they are also dying in a pointless conflict.
One of the point of Panorma was the way they are given very little support when at home (more now than previuosly, perhaps) and these young people may be a lot better than some of the scumbags and ungrateful people that benefit from their protection.
Daveb -- I would be interested to know whom exactly you refer to as "the scumbags and ungrateful people that benefit from their protection". I know the Poppy harvests are vastly more productive than they were before our troops arrived .... what else? Tell us, please. Maybe there are some Afghans reading this post -- I'm sure they'd like to know whom you mean, as well. |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 13:27:35
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| I am not speaking for Daveb but my understanding of his post is those who would rather the "Taliban " and other insurgents get a free rein ! those who would rather roll over than accept something had to be done in Afghanistan and Iraq(Ok the war in Iraq was under false pretences,but it was on the cards to happen anyway with Saddam deliberately goading the Americans and the rest of the western world ) as a retired soldier I find it offensive that troops coming home can be jeered by the so called peace lobby(what is peacefull about jeering?) When you join the "Armed forces" you do not join to cause war you join to be a peace keeeper,to stop war no one wants to fight we want a safer environment ;yes sometimes it means using force. hopefully this will have answered your question |
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gcrkfrd
Barsoom
USA
404 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 14:46:00
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In Flanders Fields the Poppies blow
Between the Crosses row on row |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 15:04:56
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| The fact remains that as unpalatable it may be these forces are not the ones who made the decision to go to war. Taking it out on them by either jeering at them or treating them as pariah is not really addressing the issue of an unwanted or unwarranted war but 'kicking' the horse because the rider has a crop! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Anubis
Barsoom
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Posted - 10/06/2008 : 17:47:43
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quote:
Originally posted by thedelboy
I am not speaking for Daveb but my understanding of his post is those who would rather the "Taliban " and other insurgents get a free rein ! those who would rather roll over than accept something had to be done in Afghanistan and Iraq(Ok the war in Iraq was under false pretences,but it was on the cards to happen anyway with Saddam deliberately goading the Americans and the rest of the western world ) as a retired soldier I find it offensive that troops coming home can be jeered by the so called peace lobby(what is peacefull about jeering?) When you join the "Armed forces" you do not join to cause war you join to be a peace keeeper,to stop war no one wants to fight we want a safer environment ;yes sometimes it means using force. hopefully this will have answered your question
It doesn't even address my question -- let alone answer it ! |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1404 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2008 : 17:58:17
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| I SEE ,So you only read what you want and ignore what is in front of you Anubis? perhaps you should be a politician |
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Remembrance day?