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FUBAR
Barsoom
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 Posted - 15/11/2007 : 19:50:09
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Driving home noticed two blue signs about bus lanes from Brighton to Newhaven. Are these proposed routes or already passed routes? How are bus lanes going to be put on a road that is mostly single lane each way? What a way to cut supposed congestion by causing more gridlock. Must be council policy to make travel as difficult as possible so they can introduce congestion charging.
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I came into the world with nothing and still have most of it left.. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2521 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2007 : 19:58:20
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Yep, new bus lanes are comimg.
Lanes from thin air is the rumour.
Impossible in some points at Rottingdean and Saltdean.
I shall observe this with interest. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
Edited by - Daveb on 16/11/2007 07:52:47 |
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NAZZ
Barsoom
United Kingdom
180 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2007 : 00:23:44
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Impossible from Rottingdean into Newhaven i would have thought.
Is this bhcc colluding with ldc? or will the bus lane stop at saltdean?
Weird i posted this at 0123hrs but the time above say 0023 |
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Edited by - NAZZ on 16/11/2007 00:26:41 |
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livewire
Forum Admin
107 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2007 : 07:42:58
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I've corrected the timer. Sorry about that Nazz.
livewire (admin) |
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FUBAR
Barsoom
432 Posts |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2521 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2007 : 19:47:18
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Let chaos reign.
At least the buses & taxis will fall into the sea first |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
Edited by - Daveb on 16/11/2007 19:47:55 |
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Martha Gunn
Barsoom
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Posted - 16/11/2007 : 22:17:35
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An absolute travesty of the highest order.
If B&H really want motorists to ditch their cars, they have to offer a world-class, affordable public transport alternative that is so good, that its a virtual no-brainer for car drivers to leave their vehicles at home. Unfortunately, by creating a monopoly in the form of Brighton & Hove Bus Company, the Council have jumped into bed with the wrong partner. A partner who is well past her sell-by date and cannot hope to compete with the bright young things of public transport modes.
I'd love the opportunity to take the Argus for a tour of the Town and some of the traffic planners and point out the continual screw-ups that have been created in the past few years such as the Lewes & London Rd tamperings which have created more congestion and lowered air quality.
It is a shame that we do not have the quality of officers able to come up with a scheme worthy of the 21st centuary and have to make do with technology that is almost 100 years old.
Roger French must be laughing all the way to the bank. His fares keep going up while the council bend over backwards to make his operation more efficient. However, all these efficiencies bankrolled by the tax payer go to waste as most of the Rogers buses trundle around the city belching out fumes while populated by a few non-fare paying passengers during the day. Madness. I'd rather, as a tax payer, fund a public run service, not line the pockets of the Shareholders of the Go Ahead group.
I could talk all day about this but I won't bore you all! |
Edited by - Martha Gunn on 16/11/2007 22:19:36 |
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nightowl
Barsoom
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Posted - 17/11/2007 : 00:15:21
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Bus lanes both ways? hope not.
They are truly mad this council they seem determined to drive business and jobs out of Brighton.... |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1280 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2007 : 10:37:43
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| It says "access for residents" will be limited while work is being done. Trapped in their houses! |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2521 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2007 : 10:49:04
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The whole of Peacehaven cannot get out unless they go to the coast road.
East Rottingdean and Saltdean Residents can all try to get to Rottingdean High St. via Steyning Road. Wonderful.
Stocking up on essentials now.
Beer, pizza, more beer..
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We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1280 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2007 : 10:53:16
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The Transport Agency has now announced that it will be laying on a fleet of tractors and trailers to ferry Peacehaven residents across the Downs.
Alas, space is limited, booking is essential (two weeks' notice required) and, alarmingly, they have put Roger French in charge of it. |
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FUBAR
Barsoom
432 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2007 : 11:19:19
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If access is limited for residents will they be issuing notes for my employer when I can't get to work, or picking up my daughter from school when I can't get back in. Once again the wrong solution for a problem that doesn't exist in the outside world. Is it possible that the council has a policy of creating problems so they can justify their existence..... |
I came into the world with nothing and still have most of it left.. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2521 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2008 : 08:22:06
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The mystery of how they are going to fit all the lanes in may have been revealed.
They are digging out part of the grass embankment towards the sea. What a great idea. Increased weight and vibration nearer the cliff edge, which is very close in some parts already.
It will all end up in the sea, we're doomed! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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FUBAR
Barsoom
432 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2008 : 10:46:13
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| Not really, once global warming kicks in and the sea rises we can all fish from the bus stops while waiting for the next bus. And if it falls I could end up with a house on the seafront, a win win situation then........... |
I came into the world with nothing and still have most of it left.. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2521 Posts |
Posted - 04/04/2008 : 20:51:58
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| The cutting away of the embankment is not for the raod but some short pavement???? |
We're all doomed!
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Daveb
Earthsea
2521 Posts |
Posted - 20/05/2008 : 19:30:25
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The work continues, the grass is concreted in more places (very Green!) to create a cycle lane and road in made more narrow.
The crazy thing is that from Saltdean to Brighton 99% of cyclist use the Undercliff Walk (illegally) because it is flat!
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Control Panel
Discworld
1280 Posts |
Posted - 20/05/2008 : 21:20:56
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What with this and the Drive cycle lane, it sounds like the council is simply bunging these things in willy-nilly so that it can claim it's met the "targets" for spending that Government money it got to be some sort of cycling "destination"or whatever the term is.
I do not think that cyclists regard it as illegal to cycle along the Undercliff.
Nobody wants to cycle along the coast road. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2521 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2008 : 05:56:55
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Cyclist may nor regard it as illegal but I am sure it is.
However, there is room for everyone along the Undercliff and it is a far safer and better place to cycle. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Daveb
Earthsea
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Daveb
Earthsea
2521 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2008 : 08:45:05
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Perhaps a better investment would have been in providing a direct bus route from Seaford to Shoreham along the coast road with the constant need to go into Churchill Sqaure. The route planners appear to have this obsession with taking all buses to the Old Stiene or Churchill Sq and then making you change.
A rapid transport system would have to provide more direct routes.
Even if a bus ran direct from Newhaven to Hove and back at peak times I am sure it would have some success. People would use the buses more if you did not need to change as much.
I also think it is still the case that from Patcham you would need to go to the Old Stiene and the back up the Lewes Road to get to University. No direct route?
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2008 : 09:09:59
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| Oops I answered on the other thread (I'll delete it now) ... If you want to go from Whitehawk to Moulsecoomb you need two buses and at least an hour+ for a trip that would take 4 minutes in the car. The assumption of all the bus routes is that we are all heading for the centre of town! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2521 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2008 : 09:35:24
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Exactly. So why doesn't French have a think about it.
He cannot make anymore money out it if peolpe buy a daily saver.
But now, he does make money if pensioners make more journeys.
Not the case in the past though. |
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Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2008 : 09:52:26
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| It has been discussed time and again ... the fact is that French, being in the business of making money, does very nicely thank you very much and sees no urgency to change the routes to reflect what people actually need and require. That is something our council should be addressing with him methinks ... rather then the building of bus-lanes, sticking out bus stops and finding ways of increasing his passenger list by forcing school-kids to bus across the town to school! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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caeos
Barsoom
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Posted - 15/06/2008 : 16:54:31
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21 to Elm grove - then 49a simple,, avoid C Square
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Oops I answered on the other thread (I'll delete it now) ... If you want to go from Whitehawk to Moulsecoomb you need two buses and at least an hour+ for a trip that would take 4 minutes in the car. The assumption of all the bus routes is that we are all heading for the centre of town!
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Daveb
Earthsea
2521 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2008 : 17:13:02
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| What about Saltdean to King Alfred? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2008 : 17:36:31
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| The point is Caeos ... that though there are connections, they take time and require you to idle at a bus stop a number of times during your journey. It isn't that the connections aren't there ... it is the fact that the connections are necessary! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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caeos
Barsoom
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Posted - 18/06/2008 : 21:50:11
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Agreed Miriam B - a lot of drivers wonder why routes go where they do, but its all to do with the figures and the B&H get fit campaign.
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caeos
Barsoom
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Posted - 18/06/2008 : 21:53:45
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and using the glorious new journeyon website
Journey Summary
From: whitehawk primary school, whitehawk road, BN2 5FL » view location
To: bevendean primary school, heath hill avenue, BN2 4JP » view location
journey time 52 mins and 2 changes with 3 walks. none going the way i suggested as quicker. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 18/06/2008 : 22:06:48
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| I am up and down that particular stretch of road at least three four times a week lately ... My youngest and my latest grandson lie in Newhaven for now. There is a lot of work going on on some of the stretches and I think they are actually cutting some of the coastal stretches here and there ... But I agree Daveb, there are some stretches that are impossible to widen any further ... It looks as if it is going to be a stop start bus-lane ... Cannot really see any sense to the whole undertaking as the buses are going to have to rejoin the flow of traffic at given points along the route ... |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2521 Posts |
Posted - 16/07/2008 : 19:47:56
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Almost complete in places. Far too narrow some lanes for opposing traffic directions.
Prediction:-
More accidents.
Emergency services unable to pass blocked traffic.
Enquiry.
The really sad thing about this is that certain parts or the is in desparate need of repair. Now they will have to close parts off again to repair and remark the new lines. Give it six month and it will be more road works.
All this public money to help a private business.
Oh and caeos what about the Saltdean to King Alfred bus? |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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B.O.B.
Alagaësía
92 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2008 : 06:22:50
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| I've always wondered why there isn't a bus from Western road direct along the seafront down to the Marina and back or is there and I don't know about it?. |
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coast road bus lane??
