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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 18:23:59
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It will be Ex-Army people.
And you as a Honest NHS worker would be happy to know that
even though the Police are not working & on a Illegal Strike
you can not be raped or killed in your home. |
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Anubis
Barsoom
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 Posted - 09/12/2007 : 21:37:29
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the founding of a (modern) police force in England took place between 1829 - 1839, a direct consequence of the emergence of a radical and militant working class movement -- it was to protect the property of well-to-do citizens in the rapidly growing towns. that's it's prime function still ... as anyone who's been involved in industrial action soon learns to their cost ... and where even the 'sanctity' of one's own front garden is no protection, even for the "weaker sex":
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 21:45:14
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| Property has always been of the highest regard in England, certainly valued above the property-less. However I don't quite see the police-force as being the agents of the landed gentry in quite the way you appear to picture them Anubis. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Horseman7
Barsoom
United Kingdom
161 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 21:49:04
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SusPol have their reserves at the ready.
Happy plodding.
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1186 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 21:49:40
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LT, thanks for that reassurance dear, but most of the ex-army folks around here are supping their beer and playing bingo up in the village British Legion club, with their extended families and associate members.
Should anyone attempt to rape or kill me in my own home, even if the menfolk were absent, I`d put more faith in my dogs and my own reaction than I would in any outsiders`, ex-forces or not! |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1404 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 21:57:32
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Thanks I am ex Army,(but I dont play bingo) Police as any other worker should have the right to strike if things are not right in thier work environment;LT exarmed forces look after each other first (We learned that after getting dumped and being expected to understand you Divies) sorry for my blatant discourtesy but what the flip) |
keep on smiling |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1186 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2007 : 22:03:56
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Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Anubis
Barsoom
281 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 17:28:08
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wandering a bit from the topic, maybe, but had our super ('armed') bobbies imagined she'd be bringing in a canoe stashed with dynamite?:
as other posters have pointed out recently, it's the youngsters our armed police should be watching more closely --- don't imagine for a moment these dangerous elements are only to be found in Asia!
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Dingo
Barsoom
United Kingdom
281 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 20:45:16
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From the http://coppersblog.blogspot.com/
Number of Police Officers killed in the line of duty (murders, accidents) in the last 12 months: 10
Number of MPs killed in the line of duty in the last 12 months: 0
Number of assaults on Police Officers at work in 2006 (recorded): 60 per day
Number of assaults on Police Officers at work in 2006 (actual): 600 per day (my estimate)
Number of assaults on MPs at work in 2006: 0 per day
Number of times per day Home Secretary is spat at, sworn at, told that a given person 'knows where you live' and is invited to reflect on the fact that all her immediate family may soon die of cancer: 0
Number of times per day average Police Officer is spat at, sworn at, told that a given person 'knows where you live' and is invited to reflect on the fact that all her immediate family may soon die of cancer: Fill in own score
Amount Jacqui Smith claimed in expenses in 2006 when she was Chief Whip: £158,313
Amount average Police Officer claims in expenses annually: £2.72 on mileage (if lucky) and cost of one doughnut
Size of Jacqui Smith's majority at last election: 2,071
Chances of Jacqui Smith being voted back in at next election: slim
Number of tears that will be shed on Coppersblog: 0
Amount an MP can take home in pay and expenses annually: £208,414
Amount a retiring MP can add in 'winding up allowance': £37,281
Amount an MP can claim in mileage for cycling (I kid you not): 20p per mile
Amount the Prime Minister earns while old ladies die in their own faeces in hospital beds, 40% of children leave school unable to read and write properly, ill-equipped and under-resourced soldiers (and RAF men) die in dodgy wars, unknown numbers of illegal immigrants wander in to the country and the economy collapses: £188,849
Amount the Prime Minister will trouser in gold-plated pension (despite selling off all our gold at the lowest price in decades) when he retires: £134,424
Amount Minister Ed Balls claimed as subsidy for 'second home' in London where he lives most of the time: £27,000
Amount Police Officers who live out of area can claim for second homes: 0
Amount Mr Balls and his wife Yvette Cooper rake in in MPs' and Ministers' salaries and allowances annually: £240,000 per annum
Amount husband-and-wife PCs earn annually (1 Sgt, 1 new PC): £64,000
Hours spent noshing in high quality publicly-subsidised restaurants annually by MPs: 195,000*
Hours spent by MPs gobbling down a Big Mac while en route to disturbance in town centre: 0
Cheekiest B*stard of the Year award: to the MP who asked the following question of the Select Committee on Catering: "Very impressed by the standard of House Of Commons catering. But could something please be done to ensure a better range and quality of wines on offer to Members and staff?"
Chances of better range and quality of wines being made available to Police Officers: 0
Amount MPs recently voted for themselves to fund their websites: £10,000
I would state that I'm against the power to strike. I am disgusted that the HO has ignored arbitration. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 20:46:09
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From Todays Free Metro
Brighton best free paper
Federation Chairwoman Berry
"We are definitely going to have a Ballot.
There is so much anger and frustration out there"
Bring On the Strike
Enter People Power.
Sign Of the Times.
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 20:50:34
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Originally posted by Dingo
I am disgusted that the HO has ignored arbitration.
So is everyone else
Good reason to get rid of Corrupt New Labour. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2268 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 20:51:30
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Nice one Dingo.
It rather mirrors the same issues with armed forces.
Given all the SH*t jobs and taken for granted.
Sorry Fluffy, I should mention Nurses in that as well. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
Edited by - Daveb on 10/12/2007 20:53:24 |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 20:54:11
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 20:54:56
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| If we, the people that actually live in this country and depend on these police officers - as well as all the other public servants and guardians such as the NHS and the Fire Brigade for instance - did the striking for them we would stand a chance. Do we really care so little about how we are governed that we really think voting, or abstaining from voting, every few years is enough? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2268 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 20:58:35
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Does not really matter which government is in office.
The ACCOUNTANTS will make the decisions. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 21:01:08
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Originally posted by Daveb
Does not really matter which government is in office.
The ACCOUNTANTS will make the decisions.
Like it or not, the social contract holds. We are only governable because we in essence accept governance. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1186 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 21:06:32
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| LT, perhaps, legally speaking, nurses CAN strike. But in reality, they don`t - because most of us would feel that we just can`t do that. |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 21:08:26
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 21:09:37
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Bollocks Nurses do strike
and Agency takes over.
New Labour are Corrupt as hell
they promised these officers Back Pay,
Stinking Corrupt Scottish Brown PM
changed his mind.
It Stinks. |
Edited by - long time no see on 10/12/2007 21:10:37 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 21:11:30
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Originally posted by long time no see
Bollocks Nurses do strike
and Agency takes over.
So LTNS, when was the last time there was a general nurses strike? |
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Dingo
Barsoom
United Kingdom
281 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 21:13:03
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We (plod)do get paid well and I am the first to admit that I do not get involved in front line confrontational policing any more - but I could get told to do so,or live away from home, or do something that I really don't want to do. I suppose that is the "could get told to do so" aspect that makes the job different. Police Regulations are a wonder to behold, not many workers would put up with them. I am against a strike because I feel that being a police officer is different (could be an age thing?). We get a lot and also give a lot. At the end of the day society as a whole decides whether their taxes are well spent on our wages. NOT a bit of Labour politcal expediency.
OOeer! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 21:16:14
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Dingo - it makes no change that you do not want to Strike
you can go and
Direct the few Army people that will have to take over.
Life In The City. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 21:17:37
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Roll on the People Power.
This is All due to One Man - Brown. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 21:19:25
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Originally posted by long time no see
Dingo - it makes no change that you do not want to Strike
you can go and
Direct the few Army people that will have to take over.
Life In The City.
When was the last time there was a general nurses strike LTNS?
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 21:24:23
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Originally posted by Dingo
We get a lot and also give a lot. At the end of the day society as a whole decides whether their taxes are well spent on our wages. NOT a bit of Labour politcal expediency.
OOeer!
Which is where Jo/e Bloggs comes into her/his own if only we would have the sense to see it. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Anubis
Barsoom
281 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 21:39:07
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quote:
Originally posted by Dingo
From the http://coppersblog.blogspot.com/
Number of Police Officers killed in the line of duty (murders, accidents) in the last 12 months: 10
Number of MPs killed in the line of duty in the last 12 months: 0
.........etc., etc., etc.... Amount the Prime Minister earns while old ladies die in their own faeces in hospital beds, 40% of children leave school unable to read and write properly, ill-equipped and under-resourced soldiers (and RAF men) die in dodgy wars, unknown numbers of illegal immigrants wander in to the country and the economy collapses: £188,849. etc., etc..
What a useful piece of comparative information, Dingo! Well done ... let's hope lots of people read it carefully and draw some appropriate implications. Could I suggest a start?
Real power in Britain lies not with parliament but with what has been referred to as 'the state within the state' -- the judiciary, high ranking military officers, big industrialists and landowners and the banks and the team of higher civil servants who pull all these interests together. None of the people mentioned in the last sentence are elected --- but here lies the seat of power. If it were ever to feel its position was threatened by a truly socialistic/democratic majority in the House of Commons, this "team" would soon introduce the kind of rule (seen in a very mild form in my homeland, Australia, a few years ago, when the government and Prime Minister were sacked by the governor general acting for the crown) or in a more violent form as has been witnessed many times in the last century in several of the British colonies .... really major decisions are not taken by parliament[/b] ... the decision that Britain should make an H bomb, for example, was not even discussed in the cabinet, let alone in the Commons prior to the decision being taken. It looks good (impresses the naive) to have a 'talking shop', a set-up where people put their cross on the ballot paper every so often and like to kid themselves it'll make a difference to their lives if it be Cameron or Brown at no 10. Parliament is a Punch & Judy show, part of the deception to convince people they have a meaningful say in the running of their lives.
If one day (I hope) the people of our land manage to construct a true democracy, it'll see the end of the House of Commons, that 'show' where the important decisions are not even mentioned, let alone discussed, debated and/or decided upon .... along with the superstructure that stands above it ... Lords, monarchs and the rest of the social security scroungers we all keep in their lives of luxury, with their lands and factories etc. etc. There may still need be a police force, but it will be serving ordinary people ... not the shower of parasites referred to a few lines ago..... but enough for now .......
To say again ... Bravo, Dingo ....... I hope people read and contemplate on your words ..... |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 21:43:52
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Originally posted by Anubis
If one day (I hope) the people of our land manage to construct a true democracy,
And what would this 'true democracy' be anubis? How do you see it? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 23:29:52
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Get Corrupt New Labour out of Office
then we will have a better nation.
Miriam I said Nurses Strike
they have in some areas.
I do not have any data because it is not needed.
But I know in some areas Nurses have had strikes
over the years. |
Edited by - long time no see on 10/12/2007 23:37:45 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2007 : 23:35:04
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Get Corrupt New Labour out of Office
then we will have a better nation.
So LTNS ... still no back up to your assertions?quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Bollocks Nurses do strike
and Agency takes over.
In truth, I never really expected you to have any back-up. You never really do do you. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5856 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2007 : 00:38:36
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Originally posted by long time no see
Miriam I said Nurses Strike
they have in some areas.
I do not have any data because it is not needed.
But I know in some areas Nurses have had strikes
over the years.
When and where ... Of course data is needed. When you make assertions you should be able to back them up.
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Police Demad a right to Strike