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Control Panel
Discworld
1167 Posts |
 Posted - 11/01/2008 : 21:25:42
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Rocks - whether they come from Thailand or Bognor - is irrelevant..
It is pile-driving into the seabed hundreds of times over that will bedevil the Marina.
The cost of doing so, and of finding somebody to do so - it's a non-starter. These people are not simply summoned by a trawl through Yellow Pages.
So why has the Council spent so much time in processing an Application which is impossible to fulfil? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2008 : 21:39:07
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That is due to Public Anger
at the First Draft of the New Tower.
Housing is needed
so it will go ahead.
Life In The City. |
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Daveb
Discworld
1895 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2008 : 21:54:51
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Scenario:- Major at petrol station on the roundabout at the marina entrance.
Spreads to tower block and other flats.
People escape but crash blocking the only access road.
Hundreds burned alive. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2008 : 21:58:12
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No
because the WalmartAsda Petrol
station is being rebuilt and moved and will be very safe.
Burned Alive
is in America when a Van with a Nuke goes off. |
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Daveb
Discworld
1895 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2008 : 21:59:47
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| Roasted chavs at an ASDA near you! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
Edited by - Daveb on 11/01/2008 22:00:30 |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2008 : 22:11:30
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No Way,
but many would want that.
That New Lidl with its bigger size, soon to be finished in a few weeks,
may do well while builders take on the Marina. |
Edited by - long time no see on 11/01/2008 22:11:49 |
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Martha Gunn
Barsoom
204 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 12:08:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Control Panel
It is pile-driving into the seabed hundreds of times over that will bedevil the Marina.
It'll finish off those cliffs and take the A259 with it! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 12:25:56
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Dream On.
Meanwhile New Housing in the Marina Tower
is what people want. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5318 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 12:46:44
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Dream On.
Meanwhile New Housing in the Marina Tower
is what people want.
Actually it isn't that ludicrous a suggestion. Remember that big cliff slide that brought about the closure of the under-cliff walk?
As for people wanting New Housing in the Marina Tower ... Are you sure of that? Is it really people or is it a handful of unscrupulous uncaring greedy developers and some unscrupulous uncaring glory-seeking councillors? If it was really people as you would appear to be suggesting why was it considered necessary to sneak the planning permission through? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 14:09:42
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Yes Miriam
I am sure check your Local MP.
Some of that Tower will be low income
it is not all rich folk,
infact, that is the Only way it gets permission.
Just like the Army Barricks Land on Lewes road
same RULES apply.
As for the Cliff
that will be rebuilt since a Mega Bigger Walmart is being built
and they do not want that problem.
Also a New Car Park is being built.
Life In The City. |
Edited by - long time no see on 12/01/2008 15:27:22 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5318 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 14:43:29
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Yes Miriam
I am sure check your Local MP.
Some of that Tower will be low income
it is not all rich folk,
infact, that is the Only way it gets permission.
Just like the Army Barricks Land on Lewes road
same RULES apply.
As for the Cliff
that will be rebuilt since a Mega Bigger Walmart is being built
and they do not want that problem.
Also a New Car is being built.
Life In The City.
LTNS with all due respect you are talking a load of utter tosh. We are all aware of the requirement for 'affordable housing' as a percentage of any new development. That has nothing to do with whether or not this is a sustainable or even a socially and environmentally viable development.
The answer to the housing crisis is not to shove people into high-rise buildings without the necessary infra-structure. We used the tower block solution once before in the 1950s and '60s.
... they soon became extremely good hothouses for mental and physical stress on the residents that were unfortunate enough to be housed there leading to the blocks gaining a reputation for being undesirable low cost housing, and many tower blocks saw rising crime levels. Couple that with an inadequate infrastructure, inadequate access roads and you are looking at T*R*O*U*B*L*E in the making.
The fact that in Brighton and Hove we have many more proposals for high rise housing does not alter the fact that the infrastructure is over stretched already as things stand, without any more demands being made on it ... and believe me the demands will increase dramatically once even half the current proposals start getting built.
As for rebuilding the cliff ... Have you any idea how many hundreds of millenia it has taken for those cliffs to evolve? You cannot just build a thing like that. It isn't the ruddy pyramids or Stone Henge! Yes we could re-enforce it but for how long and how often would we have to re-enforce it? And even if it was environmentally viable, has anyone reckoned on the escalating maintenance costs? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5318 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 14:44:47
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Also a New Car is being built.
Life In The City.
PS: I fail to see what the building of a new car has to do with this. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 15:29:29
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Miriam
a New Road is part of this.
Of course the Cliff is old
but Cementing it up is the Only way.
You are so Negative
No council could Employ YOU.
Life In The City. |
Edited by - long time no see on 12/01/2008 15:32:34 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5318 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 15:48:29
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Miriam
a New Road is part of this.
Of course the Cliff is old
but Cementing it up is the Only way.
You are so Negative
No council could Employ YOU.
Life In The City.
The infrastructure LTNS? I've see your absurd responses to the other issues raised - cementing the Cliff indeed ... but what about the infrastructure. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Discworld
1895 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 16:04:15
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This tower block is TOTALLY in the wrong place.
Building more and homes on the seafront or in Brighton & Hove is not the way forward. Infrastructure will not cope.
Rat syndrome will come to the fore if you cram too many people in.
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We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 16:04:58
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That is all in hand
they are on the Black Rock site right now. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 16:06:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
This tower block is TOTALLY in the wrong place.
Building more and homes on the seafront or in Brighton & Hove is not the way forward. Infrastructure will not cope.
Rat syndrome will come to the fore if you cram too many people in.
Rats are every place gardens with Compost with no base on them,
for example.
Building more Homes has to be done
just like Lewes Road
all these flats are needed. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1167 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 16:19:16
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Miriam
a New Road is part of this.
Of course the Cliff is old
but Cementing it up is the Only way.
You are so Negative
No council could Employ YOU.
Life In The City.
It would be an unusual Council that employed LTNS.
Or... does this explain everything? Perhaps the Chief Executive, Alan McCarthy spends all day meditating upon Greggs and pathetic Blair, and vents his spleen by writing all this. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 16:37:00
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Off Topic
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Daveb
Discworld
1895 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 16:44:09
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My point was this:-
If you put too many people in a small space they will start to act like rats. The stronger will gather in groups and kill the weak.
We already see this with adolescents. (Humans and apes)
They gather in gangs and terrorise the neibourhood.
I do not think this tower block is a great idea.
It is a disaster waiting to happen.
They are all DOOMED! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 16:53:56
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Again it goes ahead.
Housing and a Bigger Better Walmart is what everyone wants.
Life In The City. |
Edited by - long time no see on 12/01/2008 17:04:59 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5318 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 17:03:20
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Hosing and a Bigger Better Walmart is what everyone wants.
Life In The City.
Hosing can be purchased in a smaller Walmart just as easily LTNS and you have still failed to prove (or even attempted to back up) your assertion which is what it amounts to so far, that everyone wants it.
Stating that is the case does not make it the case and reading this thread would clearly indicate that not everyone is in favour of this development. Couple that with the objections that did manage to make it to the planning office and you will see that it is far from everyone. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 17:07:07
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Sure a Few Negative folks on here do not like it.
Anyway
you should be pleased that your local Lidl will soon be even bigger
and Mobile Carts will get around it.
So try and cheer up. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5318 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 17:11:01
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Sure a Few Negative folks on here do not like it.
Anyway
you should be pleased that your local Lidl will soon be even bigger
and Mobile Carts will get around it.
So try and cheer up.
Back up your assertions LTNS rather then casting aspersions or is that beyond you? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1167 Posts |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 17:14:06
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Off Topic
CP.
On Topic!
You mentioned posters working for the Council when saying that Miriam would not be taken on there. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1167 Posts |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5318 Posts |
Posted - 13/01/2008 : 02:28:59
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quote:
Originally posted by Control Panel
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
will be Bliss.
Portslade, Newhaven, Moulescoomb - yes, it will be the most magnificent vista this side of Florence.
Hold on ... Maybe LTNS is refering to the fact that the view would include the nudist beach  |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 13/01/2008 : 07:02:17
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Of Course
The New Tower has many good things about it.
Life In The City. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5318 Posts |
Posted - 13/01/2008 : 07:34:44
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Of Course
The New Tower has many good things about it.
Life In The City.
Name them! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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New Walmart New Marina Brighton