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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07/02/2008 : 18:29:16
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91211-1304518,00.html
Of Course this Utter Fool
thinks there is a God.
He wants a debate
tomorrows papers will go Mad over this.
Let alone all the News stations Radio and TV.
The UK has some Jewish and Muslim law courts
as it is.
To want another New version
is crazy.
Most UK people will say if you want that sort of crazy type Law
then go to a strict Muslim nation for it.
______________________________
The Evil Muslim Abu Hamza - The Hook
is being given to the Evil Americans.
News just in.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/02/2008 : 20:03:21
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Civil law is civil law. When two parties are in dispute they can already elect to settle it in places other then a court of law. Provided the settlement they reach does not break any of the laws of the land then there is no issue.
Apart from an Arch Bish showing a lamentable lack of understanding as to the nature of British Law, a reprehensible deficit regarding the nature of Islam or both. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6323 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2008 : 20:14:05
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Arch Nutty
is having a Session tonight.
He says he fully understands,
but then again
he is crazy - because there is no God.
The Strict Muslims love him.
He sure knows how to start a Civil War. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/02/2008 : 20:23:52
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Arch Nutty
is having a Session tonight.
He says he fully understands,
but then again
he is crazy - because there is no God.
The Strict Muslims love him.
He sure knows how to start a Civil War.
From what I have been reading it is Williams who is calling for this 'introduction' not Muslims, strict or otherwise. To intimate that this is not so is to show a remarkable lack of awareness. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6323 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2008 : 20:38:20
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"No One" is going to back Williams,
so the Strict muslims can Fuck the hell out of England.
For Example
there are Nations like Saudi Arabia that have Strict Muslim Rules. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/02/2008 : 21:46:09
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Originally posted by long time no see
"No One" is going to back Williams,
so the Strict muslims can Fuck the hell out of England.
For Example
there are Nations like Saudi Arabia that have Strict Muslim Rules.
What part of 'Muslims have not asked for this' do you not understand LTNS? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6323 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2008 : 21:51:51
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You will need to buy a paper Tomorrow
all will have this. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/02/2008 : 22:02:21
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
You will need to buy a paper Tomorrow
all will have this.
The hysteria or the facts? Read the article and then look at the commentary section |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6323 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2008 : 22:05:02
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He is wrong
he has no backers.
Hysteria starts Tomorrow. |
Edited by - long time no see on 07/02/2008 22:06:05 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5244 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2008 : 22:17:15
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
He is wrong
he has no backers.
Hysteria starts Tomorrow.
It has already started LTNS and wrong or not, he has managed to drag us all into a can of worms - Halal or otherwise |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6323 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2008 : 22:26:06
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He ain't Dragging me.
But I get the picture. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5244 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2008 : 23:33:59
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I don't generally do this but here goes. This is what I wrote on another site about the Arch Bish:
The Arch Bish actually stated that Sharia Law in this country was inevitable. What that in reality shows is that we have an Arch Bish who seemingly is totally unacquainted with the very nature of British Law. He has managed to disregard Magna Carta of 1215 and the Act of Settlement of 1701. Not to mention the Laws and Customs of Parliament; political conventions; Case law; constitutional matters decided in a court of law. All of which clearly preclude the introduction of a subset of laws whether they be from the Torah, the Book of Mormon, Sharia or any other codified source. It does also of course preclude the introduction of any Canon Law and maybe that is why the Arch Bish has had this lapse of awareness.
Further, the Arch Bish was not talking about introducing the penal code of Sharia Law but rather those elements pertaining to the 'civil' code of Sharia Law. And to elucidate matters even more, he was not suggesting that they over-ride current British Civil Law but that they serve as an alternative venue for individuals. As there already is a provision within the Civil Law to take their 'dispute' to venues other then a Court of Law for resolution, it really isn't that alien a concept. Having said that, I think that there exist ample provision for alternative venues. |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 07:46:51
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| I believe that Rowan needs a bit of a holiday,Anglican and Catholic ministers priests etc are not allowed to be involved in politics(yes I know Ian Paisley is involved)Religions leaders who go one way or the other in politics should be de-frocked , And this guy has only ever brought controversy to the church it is almost as if he does it just for the publicity.We in the UK have perfectly good laws as it is(OK NOT ALL UK LAWS ARE FAIR. BUT THEY ARE LAWS)the saying "When in Rome do as the Romans do"comes to mind |
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Anubis
Barsoom
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 12:38:55
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I am surprised at the general opposition to the dear ArchB's sensible proposal -- after all, if we are ALL to 'get together' in a communal way, we should all be prepared to live alongside the customs of our fellow 'countrypeople'.
Living near the beautiful St Ann's Wells Gardens, and I see no reason why our local Sharia community (if there is one?) should not be allowed to deal with their own 'marital problems', as Williams suggests. Maybe on the first Sunday of every month, the park could be handed over to the Sharia devotees, and there the adulterous wives could be stoned to death and errant males publicly hanged or beheaded. Those not of the Sharia faith, or those too squeamish to watch, could avoid the park that day.
This surely is the way "live and let live" should be put into practice in our democracy. As representative of the official Church of the UK, Archbishop Williams obviously knows what God wills for us all ..... |
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moon23
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 12:54:24
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Originally posted by Anubis
I am surprised at the general opposition to the dear ArchB's sensible proposal -- after all, if we are ALL to 'get together' in a communal way, we should all be prepared to live alongside the customs of our fellow 'countrypeople'.
Living near the beautiful St Ann's Wells Gardens, and I see no reason why our local Sharia community (if there is one?) should not be allowed to deal with their own 'marital problems', as Williams suggests. Maybe on the first Sunday of every month, the park could be handed over to the Sharia devotees, and there the adulterous wives could be stoned to death and errant males publicly hanged or beheaded. Those not of the Sharia faith, or those too squeamish to watch, could avoid the park that day.
This surely is the way "live and let live" should be put into practice in our democracy. As representative of the official Church of the UK, Archbishop Williams obviously knows what God wills for us all .....
Annubis as much as a I agree that St Ann's well gardens would benifet from the odd public execution, I fear this wooly headed liberal is only calling for the introduction of some of Sharia law. Typical of these Gurdian readin liberal interlectual types not to call for the full hanging, stoning, flooging etc. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6323 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2008 : 13:42:15
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Originally posted by Anubis
I am surprised at the general opposition to the dear ArchB's sensible proposal -- after all, if we are ALL to 'get together' in a communal way, we should all be prepared to live alongside the customs of our fellow 'countrypeople'.
Living near the beautiful St Ann's Wells Gardens, and I see no reason why our local Sharia community (if there is one?) should not be allowed to deal with their own 'marital problems', as Williams suggests. Maybe on the first Sunday of every month, the park could be handed over to the Sharia devotees, and there the adulterous wives could be stoned to death and errant males publicly hanged or beheaded. Those not of the Sharia faith, or those too squeamish to watch, could avoid the park that day.
This surely is the way "live and let live" should be put into practice in our democracy. As representative of the official Church of the UK, Archbishop Williams obviously knows what God wills for us all .....
In todays Sun
they have photos of the Evil London Bombing 7/7
so what the Fool Williams
has done is started a Civil War.
No one backs this Nutter,
Who has put Petrol on the Fire. |
Edited by - long time no see on 08/02/2008 14:18:34 |
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Hambag
Barsoom
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 15:16:30
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
quote:
Originally posted by Anubis
I am surprised at the general opposition to the dear ArchB's sensible proposal -- after all, if we are ALL to 'get together' in a communal way, we should all be prepared to live alongside the customs of our fellow 'countrypeople'.
Living near the beautiful St Ann's Wells Gardens, and I see no reason why our local Sharia community (if there is one?) should not be allowed to deal with their own 'marital problems', as Williams suggests. Maybe on the first Sunday of every month, the park could be handed over to the Sharia devotees, and there the adulterous wives could be stoned to death and errant males publicly hanged or beheaded. Those not of the Sharia faith, or those too squeamish to watch, could avoid the park that day.
This surely is the way "live and let live" should be put into practice in our democracy. As representative of the official Church of the UK, Archbishop Williams obviously knows what God wills for us all .....
In todays Sun
they have photos of the Evil London Bombing 7/7
so what the Fool Williams
has done is started a Civil War.
No one backs this Nutter,
Who has put Petrol on the Fire.
A Civil War!!!
Tell me which side you are on so that I can be on the opposite side
The only nutter I see around here is you with your painfully black and white "four legs good, two legs bad" sheep bleating world view. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6323 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2008 : 15:23:44
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No one backs Williams
so you can. |
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Hambag
Barsoom
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 15:33:23
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Originally posted by long time no see
No one backs Williams
so you can.
No one? So that means that the civil war would constitute Williams and I vs the UK population, 2 against 60,000,000.
Hmm I don't like those odds. Bit unfair.
Do you actually think about what you say or are your eyes and ears hard wired to your hands, bypassing your brain? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6323 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2008 : 15:48:28
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Yes
No way will the UK have a Muslim law
like Williams wants.
You are Hard Wired
with pathetic points. |
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Hambag
Barsoom
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 16:11:44
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Originally posted by long time no see
You are Hard Wired
with pathetic points.
You stand no chance of qualifying that assertion, primarily because you talk at forum members, rather than to them. You selectively reply to statements not even made, or totally unrelated.
So in terms of actual debate, you, more than I righteously deserve the label you apply. This leads me to believe you do not comprehend the concept of debate, or that if you do, for whatever emotive or intellectual reason, you think you are above it.
I somewhat doubt with the greatest of certainty that your goodly friend Williams will stand even the remotest chance of provoking a civil war in any place other than the long and narrow LSD laced corridors of your mind.
I will now sit back and relax in the knowledge that you will not directly address all of the things I have said. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6323 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2008 : 16:34:22
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Williams started the Fire
Papers like the Sun start anti Muslim public feeling.
As the same on News Radio Phone ins
and on the many News stations
even the Y-A-N-K Fox News enjoy debating Evil Muslims.
Of course they are talking about the 7/7 bombers and the Saudi 9/11
bombers/killers and Williams
all in one sentence.
In the UK millions
of Young Muslims agree with the 7/7 UK London bombers.
That is something New Labour have not dealt with.
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Hambag
Barsoom
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 18:15:35
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Well you did exactly what I said. So you are predicable in that respect.
>Williams started the Fire
Emotive language. It is a debate not a fire. I see no riots.
>Papers like the Sun start anti Muslim public feeling.
>As the same on News Radio Phone ins
That feeling exists already.
>and on the many News stations
>even the Y-A-N-K Fox News enjoy debating Evil Muslims.
Emotive language. There is no such thing as evil as an innate force, unless you believe in God, which you claim you don't.
>Of course they are talking about the 7/7 bombers and the Saudi 9/11
>bombers/killers and Williams
>all in one sentence.
Yes it's called generalisation. That thing you are apt at. For example, say a gay man commits an act of paedophilia. The knee jerk reaction of those that have an aversion to homosexuality is to state "gays are paedophiles", implying that it is a characteristic of homosexuality. This is the same principle as a person who says "pathetic Y-a-n-k-s". The implication is that to be a citizen of the United States of America, you must firstly innately "stink" and secondly be a "Y-a-n-k-e-e". Both implications are incorrect. Only the people of the the north of United States are known as "Y-a-n-k-e-e-s" and only some Americans "stink". As a gay man LT, I hope you can see that generalisations can be unpleasant as well as incorrect.
The very fact that "Y-a-n-k-e-e" without the dashes has been filtered to "American", speaks volumes about your influential constructive input. I recommend that "New Labour" should from now on be also filtered to "LTNS". It will retain the same accuracy.
>In the UK millions
>of Young Muslims agree with the 7/7 UK London bombers.
Millions is emotive language again. You will find that the are not millions of young Muslims. Secondly, of those *thousands* of Young Muslims you refer to, only the minority actually approve of murder.
>That is something New Labour have not dealt with.
Again, you have a preoccupation with the moral standing of the current government, to the exclusion of the history of all governments of this country. It's an emotive fixation, because it's certainly not a logical exclusion.
Your language is emotionally immature, you lack logical coherence and you are incapable of proper debate.
I put it to you that all your ranting does a better job of making people want to join Labour and engage in Jihad. Both options seem temptingly preferable rather than reading your monotonous repetitive rants despite how repugnant the idea. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 19:31:51
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Originally posted by long time no see
Today it was put in Front of Millions, Highlited by One Nutter.
No Political Party backs the Nutter Williams.
FACT.
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/law_order/factcheck+is+sharia+law+a+recipe+for+chaos/1515147
OH, how I agree with Hambag. You are incapable of rational discussion. I would go further and say that your rhetorical 'skills' personify the very worst aspect of debate.
Your discourse is emotive, pejorative and inflammatory. Your level of comprehension is limited, your compassion restricted and your empathy so negligible that it almost fails to register on even the most sensitive of scales.
You exemplify a very concrete example of and are a very good reason for arguing against the hard won 'Freedom of Expression' as a universal Human Right.
As for the Arch Bish ... his only fault was to assume that he was addressing an audience that was capable of rational thought. Sorry Arch Bish, this is not a seminar of emotionally mature, rationally thinking theology students. You were in fact addressing the great public. |
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Tombstone Blues
Discworld
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 19:49:57
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Of course there is little or no chance of this actually happening. The government has rejected the idea.
I think the concept of 'religious law' is extremely dangerous, once you set a precedent for one religion, any set of believers could claim that they want the seperate laws for their particular brand. After that it would be chaos.
Williams wants seperate laws for religious bodies? He should remember english history. How long before someone says 'Who will rid me of this turbulent priest'?
We should never have allowed the foreign religion of christianity to be imported into this country in the first place . . . |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6323 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2008 : 19:52:02
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Originally posted by Tombstone Blues
Of course there is little or no chance of this actually happening. The government has rejected the idea.
I think the concept of 'religious law' is extremely dangerous, once you set a precedent for one religion, any set of believers could claim that they want the seperate laws for their particular brand. After that it would be chaos.
Williams wants seperate laws for religious bodies? He should remember english history. How long before someone says 'Who will rid me of this turbulent priest'?
We should never have allowed the foreign religion of christianity to be imported into this country in the first place . . .
Bang On Right. |
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Daveb
Discworld
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 20:35:50
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If this forum was based in Leicester, Bradford, Southall or Slough the discussion may differ. I would say these communties already hold more loyalty to their religious laws than to UK laws.
How many Muslim MPs are their now?
How many will there be in thirty years time?
How long before an Islamic political party is formed?
Then they can democratically change the law to whatever they want.
With the high levels of immigration and disproportional birth rate in their favour it is only a matter of time.
All paid for by the welfare benefits of an aging native population.
So maybe the Barmy Bish will be proved right?
Just as well global warming will finish us off before then!
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5244 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2008 : 20:54:16
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| I don't think the issue is whether individuals hold loyalty to their religious laws rather then UK laws. The Rule of UK Law is paramount. Individuals have always had the right to settle 'civil matters' away from a court of law provided all parties in the dispute are agreeable to that alternate venue and provided the outcome does not contravene UK law. |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
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Posted - 08/02/2008 : 22:52:29
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| Thanks, Miriam for at least trying to bring this back into perspective. Pity you couldn`t have had a little chat with the Arch Bish before he launched off on this one! |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
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Williams wants a UK Sharia Law
