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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 15/02/2008 : 10:31:22
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Father Allen Sharpe founder of St Patricks trust/night shelter resigned due to accusations of inapropiate friendship allegations,I have known Father Allen for a number of years and those of you who know me will have heard me speak warmly of him and Irene parry,Between these two people they have helped me recover from a nervous breakdown and help me feel worthwhile again.Father Allen has never done anything but good for the local community and the homeless,he has helped numerous drug addicts and alchoholics in the past;Even when the council stopped the funding it was Father Allen who refused to give up he did what any good Christian would do in those circumstances he fought for good to come good.I for one would like to thank Father Allen and his son Steven(ok Steven can be a bit pompous sometimes but his heart is in the right place )for the hard work and dedication that they both have put into St Patricks
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 15/02/2008 : 10:35:40
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| Allegations are bandied around. I've met Allen Sharpe a couple of times. He seemed like a decent fellah. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1454 Posts |
Posted - 15/02/2008 : 11:13:27
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| He is one of the best,Its only a few days ago he slept on the street to raise money and awareness of the homeless plight in Brighton,seemingly there is a programe on this evening re Father Allen. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 15/02/2008 : 19:46:11
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Allegations are bandied around. I've met Allen Sharpe a couple of times. He seemed like a decent fellah.
He had no other choice Miriam
he went with his Cash Card to a ATM,
took some Money out
then gave it to a Pathetic Junkie - who then bought drugs.
All of that was Filmed.
Life In The City. |
Edited by - long time no see on 20/02/2008 15:38:37 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 08:19:26
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Yes, I can see why that would be a hanging offence!
I despair of the small minds that people have. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
 Posted - 16/02/2008 : 09:37:47
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Spot the difference :
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The Argus revealed the priest in charge of a homeless shelter in Hove resigned over allegations that money he gave to a homeless addict was used to buy drugs.
Argus story
http://tinyurl.com/23rh46
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A campaigner for the homeless has resigned after an Inside Out investigation accused him of having an inappropriate relationship with a client.
Link to BBC Video Clip and above text
http://tinyurl.com/28mwvs |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 09:52:31
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So Miriam can watch 'Inside Out', next friday,
and watch how the Bloated BBC get him out of his Job.
His Own Cash Card money for Direct Drugs
from a Pathetic Junkie.
Sign Of The Times.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 10:00:32
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I know Captain. I suppose it all comes down to this. Do you not give charity because someone might use that charity to further their addictive habit? I don't know the ins and outs of this particular case. I just know that something has gone horribly wrong with the whole shebang known as 'aid'.
I don't like the fact that the 'humanitarian' causes have become a growth industry and that in many ways it is regarded as a 'business' with many making a handsome living - thank you very much - from administering 'aid'. But that goes across the board and I feel much the same about Oxfam and the Sally Ann, and others, as I do about the high wages the CEO of St Patrick's trust - regardless of whether or not he is related to Father Alan. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 10:01:44
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Originally posted by long time no see
So Miriam can watch 'Inside Out', next friday,
and watch how the Bloated BBC get him out of his Job.
His Own Cash Card money for Direct Drugs
from a Stinking Junkie.
Sign Of The Times.
You miss the point LTNS but never mind eh. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 10:13:30
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Never Give Cash to Pathetic Junkies.
Why do you think the Bloated BBC included that
they have a Moral right.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 10:15:44
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Originally posted by long time no see
Never Give Cash to Stinking Junkies.
Why do you think the Bloated BBC included that
they have a Moral right.
A moral right to what? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 10:18:42
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 10:23:47
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Originally posted by long time no see
Report it on TV.
Gee, I don't know LTNS ... you tell me. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 10:55:17
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He was a Fool to go to a Cash Point
then give Cash direct to a Pathetic Junkie.
All on a Bloated BBC Docu on Friday.
Sign Of The Times. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 11:24:48
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Originally posted by long time no see
He was a Fool to go to a Cash Point
then give Cash direct to a Stinking Junkie.
Why does it make him a fool going to a cash point rather then just taking it out of his wallet? Once you have given something away, you are no longer in control of it. Whether or not the 'junkie' then decided to get another 'fix' rather then a decent pair of shoes or whatever ... surely that is the responsibility of the 'junkie'?
A point we would do well to remember: There but for happenstance and circumstance.
Perfection is an ideal and though it may be something to strive for, it certainly is not something any of us in our lifetimes are likely to achieve. Those of us fortunate enough to have a choice, do the best we can given the circumstances of the moment.
Have you never made a mistake? I know I certainly have, any number of them and in all likelihood I shall make plenty more before my days are done. I am not ashamed of my mistakes, though I am not proud of them either.
Having said that, I despair of this current climate where we seem to delight in blowing out of all proportion the 'slips' - if indeed slips they are - of others. The small provincial mind, mean spirited, puritanical and self righteous, seems to hold sway in much of our current reporting; and like well trained dogs we are supposed to lap it all up! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 14:57:23
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quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
quote:
Originally posted by Rosie Perlmutter
He was a Fool to go to a Cash Point
then give Cash direct to a Stinking Junkie.
Why does it make him a fool going to a cash point rather then just taking it out of his wallet?
Because the Bloated BBC got it all on Film.
This was a Moral viewpoint
the Producer could have kept this until it was shown this Friday
on 'Inside Out.'
But he was warned before the Docu is shown.
Giving Cash to a Stinking Junkie
is the most stuoid thing to do.
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Dingo
Barsoom
United Kingdom
296 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 16:33:18
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St Patricks was a godsend to me when I was working nights. They were really there for those in need and I was often able to take or direct people there. I hope the good works carry on. I won't watch the program as they (the BBC) appear to be responsible for a good man to feel that he can't continue in a worthwhile role. I wouldn't want to add to their ratings on this one.
I suppose the question is did he know what the money was being used for. Even if he did there is a line of thought that he may have prevented that person re-offending to obtain money to satisfy the drug addiction. Drug dependency is never a straightforward subject imho.
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NewMember
Barsoom
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Posted - 16/02/2008 : 17:12:35
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I am new here and a bit lost - what exactly is he supposed to have done? Obviously I can see the part about the money / drugs, but what was the 'inappropriate relationship' ?
PS LongTimeNoSee, whilst I haven't personally smelt a junkie, I assume I would have done so during my walkabouts if they were 'stinking'?
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Dingo
Barsoom
United Kingdom
296 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 19:37:13
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| Inappropriate, now there's the key. One of those words that can cause a lot of thoughts......... |
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Horseman7
Barsoom
United Kingdom
171 Posts |
Posted - 16/02/2008 : 20:35:01
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Welcome to the Forums NewMember.
Happy posting.
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 17/02/2008 : 07:37:05
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Originally posted by Dingo
St Patricks was a godsend to me when I was working nights. They were really there for those in need and I was often able to take or direct people there. I hope the good works carry on. I won't watch the program as they (the BBC) appear to be responsible for a good man to feel that he can't continue in a worthwhile role. I wouldn't want to add to their ratings on this one.
I suppose the question is did he know what the money was being used for. Even if he did there is a line of thought that he may have prevented that person re-offending to obtain money to satisfy the drug addiction. Drug dependency is never a straightforward subject imho.
The Bloated BBC does not care
that you will not watch it.
They have your money each month.
Of course he knew the Money for that Pathetic Junkie
was for Illegal Drugs.
That is why he stepped down.
Life In The City. |
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Pennywise
Alagaësía
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Posted - 17/02/2008 : 19:47:37
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Better that he buys drugs with church money that bashing someone to get his fix.
Thank goodness the vicar wasn't American, LTNS might have had a stroke. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 17/02/2008 : 20:07:06
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quote:
Originally posted by Pennywise
Better that he buys drugs with church money that bashing someone to get his fix.
Thank goodness the vicar wasn't American, LTNS might have had a stroke.
Look Luker's Wife P.
it ain't that Simple.
The Money he took was Private
it ain't a Church Debit Card
it is his own Private Debit Card.
If I was going to have a Stroke
it would have been years ago.
And as for the Pathetic Junkie using the vicars private cash
for Drugs,
the next day he may have done someone in to get the Cash
simply because that Ill-Advised Vicar
kept the Pathetic Junkie Hooked.
FACT. |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1454 Posts |
Posted - 18/02/2008 : 09:53:44
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the "Argus and the BBC" both are guilty of sensationalism why could they not state what they thought was inappropiate ? Father Allen has done no wrong (and can do no wrong) in my eyes.The people who have done wrong is the "BBC"by inferrance rather than responsible reporting |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
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Posted - 18/02/2008 : 16:32:33
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posted by long time no seat
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If I was going to have a Stroke
it would have been years ago.
What's more, it's a wonder LTNS's readers have survived intact. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 18/02/2008 : 16:34:25
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Originally posted by Infinite Poppadum
What's more, it's a wonder LTNS's readers have survived intact.
It helps if you were brought up on Monty Python  |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 18/02/2008 : 18:49:59
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1340 Posts |
Posted - 18/02/2008 : 20:22:19
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and Now
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something Completely
different
FACT |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1249 Posts |
Posted - 18/02/2008 : 20:59:55
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| Of course, given the choice, LTNS would not opt for the Five Minute Argument but want the Full Half Hour. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
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Posted - 18/02/2008 : 21:01:48
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| Of course, given the choice, LTNS would not opt for the Five Minute Argument but want the Full Half Hour. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 18/02/2008 : 21:25:41
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The Bloated BBC are showing the Docu'
this Friday at 7:30PM BBC1 'Inside Out.' |
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Father Allen resigns