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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1465 Posts |
 Posted - 22/02/2008 : 20:01:14
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| LT you obviously do not know Father Alan,I do and have done for many years;you only see what the bbc show you (edited footage) you do not know the full picture.I do not know the full picture but am sure if anyone asked him he would be 100% honest in telling you the "FACTS" you have quite blatantly made your opinions clear we have now heard the voice of LTNS in his full compassionate glory |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2008 : 20:09:24
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The Full Picture
has no bearing from Now on Del.
Once you cross that Criminal line
you are done for.
No Wonder Dingo would not watch it.
100% Filmed Proof of Charity Money going
to the Junkie.
NO ONE IS BEYOND SCRUTINY |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2008 : 20:11:38
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| Ye gawds ... LTNS has a new signature tune ... I wonder if you can guess what it is .... |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2008 : 20:13:23
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| There is No God. |
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Dingo
Barsoom
United Kingdom
297 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2008 : 21:55:43
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| Blimey, now there's an empathetic statement. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2008 : 22:20:26
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Dingo
Corruption like that
if he was not a Vicar he would be in Jail.
It Stinks. |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1465 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2008 : 22:34:41
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| again "Edited for effect"no proof charity money was illegaly used |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2008 : 22:37:34
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The Charity Money given to him
should Not go into his own private Bank.
Total and Utter Corruption.
FACT. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2008 : 23:11:02
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Originally posted by long time no see
Total and Utter Corruption.
FACT.
Look at it this way peeps ... think of the money we could be saving if we did away with the courts and investigating officers and just had LTNS as Judge and Jury ... |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2008 : 23:14:25
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The BBC filmed him
proved it all.
He is finished.
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1465 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 10:43:37
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| LT yet again you have it wrong! there was nothing at all that proved he was putting charity funds into his personal account,I know of people who have given to charities who wish thier donation to be used for specific uses; Father Alan is a comfortable man in his own right(his father was a rich man from all accounts)Father Alan has used a lot of his personal money just to keep the night shelter open in the past.I find it tiresome that you have become chief prosecutor judge and jury yet again,you do not even have all the facts,none of us do!!! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 11:33:27
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The Problem
is his bank Account was being used for that Junkie
to buy crack and smack.
Walker got the cash from that vicar.
That breaks all rules.
You are tiresome Delboy
because the BBC Crew have Nailed him.
No One Is Beyond Scrutiny. |
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livewire
Forum Admin
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Posted - 23/02/2008 : 12:28:43
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This is getting boring. We have numerous posts by long time no see reiterating the same point.
LTNS, you have made your point regarding the cash-point, the vicar and the junkie. Any further posts on that point will be removed.
I am leaving the thread open for anyone, including long time no see, who wishes to continue to discuss the various other issues regarding this event.
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 12:35:49
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No Problem
That charity may now close
due to his leaving.
Life In The City.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 12:45:14
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| That would be a crying shame as the charity has done some outstanding work. |
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Dingo
Barsoom
United Kingdom
297 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 18:39:35
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Yes Miriam, it is my (as opposed to my employers) view that if the Shelter closes it will be a tragedy for the homeless. That is whether they take drugs or not.
This sort of thing if it hadn't been on the BBC it could have been dealt with by what the Police used to euphemistically call "words of advice". |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 18:58:29
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We tend to view people in categories I suppose. As in lumping all homeless people into the same category 'Homeless'. Not all homeless people are necessarily homeless through choice, though some are. Some may indeed have ended up being homeless through their drug abuse or alcoholism; not all though.
And being homeless, especially long term, brings with it all sorts of issues. One of the main ones being isolation from friends and family and any support network you may have had. This can be especially hard on those who are homeless because of matters outside of their control. When you take on board the vulnerability that life on the streets brings to some, the exposure to exploitation and abuse, the isolation and lack of human interaction, it is perhaps not surprising that some will seek temporary relief from the grimness in alcohol or drugs.
What St Patricks' had going for it was the fact that it did not judge. It sought to support rather then condemn. |
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Dingo
Barsoom
United Kingdom
297 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 19:19:12
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 19:52:07
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
We tend to view people in categories I suppose. As in lumping all homeless people into the same category 'Homeless'. Not all homeless people are necessarily homeless through choice, though some are. Some may indeed have ended up being homeless through their drug abuse or alcoholism; not all though.
And being homeless, especially long term, brings with it all sorts of issues. One of the main ones being isolation from friends and family and any support network you may have had. This can be especially hard on those who are homeless because of matters outside of their control. When you take on board the vulnerability that life on the streets brings to some, the exposure to exploitation and abuse, the isolation and lack of human interaction, it is perhaps not surprising that some will seek temporary relief from the grimness in alcohol or drugs.
What St Patricks' had going for it was the fact that it did not judge. It sought to support rather then condemn.
Sure but every place has common sense rules
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 19:56:41
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Originally posted by long time no see
Sure but every place has common sense rules
Miriam.
As in don't leave the light on when you exit a room. Don't forget to flush the loo after use and please wash up your plate and cup after use. Sounds fair enough. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 20:23:32
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And the Charity, of course.
Why did the Brighton Council take the Funding away? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 20:33:37
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Originally posted by long time no see
And the Charity, of course.
Why did the Brighton Council take the Funding away?
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7.0 St Patricks Trust - Nightshelter
This section has been added to reflect the additional information available to Members of the Housing Committee about the St Patricks Trust Nighshelter review.
7.2 St Patrick’s Trust exercised their right of appeal to the Core Strategy Group who after considering their appeal, upheld the recommendation of the Supporting People team.
7.3 St Patrick’s Trust had the right to make a further appeal to the Commissioning Body before their meeting on 4th October, but a further appeal was not submitted.
The reasons for the withdrawal of funding
7. 4.1 The Commissioning Body decision to withdraw funding from the nightshelter from the 29th January 2006 was made as the service is considered to not be strategically relevant for the reasons set out below
7. 4.2 The nightshelter is provided in dormitory style accommodation is considered to be outdated and is not suitable for vulnerable people.
The nightshelter provides 22 units for rough sleepers in two dormitories containing eleven beds each. The accommodation is provided in cramped conditions that do not offer residents private and personal space. This can be distressing and intimidating for service users with high/complex support needs. The service is not available to women who make up around a third of rough sleepers.
7.4.3 The service provided does not produce many positive outcomes for residents or is able to promote independence
Service users are only able to use the nightshelter in the night-time i.e. from 7pm at night until 9.00am when they are required to leave. As a result there is a high turnover of residents with many leaving only to return to the streets following eviction or abandonment. St Patrick’s Trust performance monitoring recorded 81.5% ‘negative’ departures in 2004/2005 (i.e. where residents were evicted, abandoned the accommodation or the outcome of their support was unknown).
7.4.4 St Patrick's Trust have failed to meet targets regarding % of residents they accept from the agreed referral agency
St Patrick's have signed an agreement with the council that 80% of the people they accept should be verified rough sleepers with a local connection to the city. Over the past year on average only 30% of this target has been achieved.
Alternative provision is available. An additional 22 units of supported accommodation for former rough sleepers is available in the city that can provide an improved level of support. Services will be available for those without a local connection on a time limited basis.
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long time no see
Earthsea
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 22:29:15
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Originally posted by long time no see
Big Brother's Preston
gave him £50K (or more over Endemol)
but of course Preston picked the Shelter
for the funding.
http://livewire.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~1256.asp
What has Preston's going back to his French girlfriend to do with St Patrick's exactly? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 22:34:07
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Not much
but it shows who he is, of course. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 22:38:58
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Originally posted by long time no see
Not much
but it shows who he is, of course.
And is Preston the only person to donate to St Patrick? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/02/2008 : 22:44:34
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We would like to assure everyone that we are determined to continue working to provide the shelter and care that gives a lifeline to the many people in our society who are unfortunate enough to find themselves homeless.
The independent reviews into our finances and operations uphold our confidence in guaranteeing that every donation received at the Trust is used in support of the cause. However, if you have any queries regarding donations, please call 01273 733151 between 9am and 5pm, Monday to Friday.
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Oh and just n case you are wondering, yes, the site has been updated since Father Alans' resignation. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 22:44:53
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| Of Course Not. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6333 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 22:54:39
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Originally posted by long time no see
Of Course Not.
So what is your point? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 23/02/2008 : 23:04:10
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Not much
but it shows who he is, of course.
And is Preston the only person to donate to St Patrick?
Of Course Not. |
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Father Allen resigns