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davidson
Alagaësía
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 Posted - 28/02/2008 : 20:41:48
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http://www.fivetvonline.tv/your-news-story.php?news=169
Due to another country leaking this news
it is now confirmed Prince Harry is part of the Army Fighting,
and the Queen was the first to tell him.
So the Royals in the UK may be now bigger targets
by Terrorists that do not want this.
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camelot
Barsoom
USA
294 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 00:16:44
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I know there is another topic on this somewhere....
But even so this is insane....I realise that many of you are not big fans of royalty but this situation is just unfair, even to my American eyes. It as if we painted a big red target on the lad's back. I was against his deployment from the beginning, and now it looks as if my worst fears could be realised. Pull him out now before you create another martyr... |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5303 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 01:46:39
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| I think I must agree with Camelot. It was one thing to let the boy do 'his bit' along with his fellow soldiers, it is another to let him carry on now. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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livewire
Forum Admin
89 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 01:48:36
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| Don't think you are pulling the wool over my eyes long time no see. |
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camelot
Barsoom
USA
294 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 03:28:41
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Off Topic
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Originally posted by livewire
Don't think you are pulling the wool over my eyes long time no see.
He's not been voted off the island again, has he? I did not even notice the name on the post...just looked at the style and assumed it was LT.
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camelot
Barsoom
USA
294 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 03:35:06
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Back to topic...
Miriam it is not only the danger to the prince that should be considered, although that is sufficient in my mind, but also to those troops around him who now become targets simply because they are near him. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5303 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 04:04:43
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| I agree Camelot ... it is all very well for him to want to be just 'one of the boys' but the fact is that he isn't and there's an end to it. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5303 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 04:25:48
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Emergency plans to extract Prince Harry from Afghanistan were being drawn up last night after the news leaked that he had been on a secret combat tour in Helmand province since before Christmas.
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And of course the boy has been an exemplary hero. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1166 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 08:36:25
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| If Prince Harry has been the "success" there that news feeds on the radio state, will we be told how many Taliban he has killed? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5303 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 08:39:19
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| Would you believe them? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1159 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 10:43:06
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| Damned irresponsible media reporting doesn`t help. And these are supposed to be our `allies`?? |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5303 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 10:54:25
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| No Fluffy, they are journalists. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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gcrkfrd
Barsoom
USA
379 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 13:52:19
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| Was it not an Australian Weekly Magazine, that Spilled the Beans? |
AMERICAN BY BIRTH, UNION BY CHOICE |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1159 Posts |
Posted - 29/02/2008 : 15:31:08
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| I wish them many Boils and Pustules, whoever they were! |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Tombstone Blues
Discworld
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Anubis
Barsoom
231 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2008 : 08:53:52
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Originally posted by gcrkfrd
Was it not an Australian Weekly Magazine, that Spilled the Beans?
Yes, it WAS an Aussie paper that broke the news -- but that's a minor point as the lad had had enough of his little media "tour" and members of his unit were openly publicizing his presence to their relatives to provide the excuse the bring him back having contrived the "new image" required ... So the camera crews arrived, filmed him firing a sub-machine gun he'd obviously not fired before (hence the instructor's helping presence), a few quick costume changes from the Prince for the cameras and then the contradictory tales of his various "assignments" which may sound credible to those who've never been in the army, Look closely at this well-shaven lad as you hear him tell how he's not washed for four days, listen watch carefully as you see him perform on the telephone "calling air strikes" and be grateful you aren't one of the allied combatants about to be hit by "friendly fire" (don't worry, it was only for the film) ... from the danger zone where his 'head-dress' carried the slogan "we do bad things to bad people". Lots of money ... all to fabricate a "hero" and turn a waste of space and money into a national institution. Prince Harry told us today, quite blandly, "I don't like England" .... listen to today's news services and hear him for yourself .... this is your "new" national "hero"!!!! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5303 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2008 : 09:04:15
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You've got to feel sorry for the poor blighter. What chance he for a normal life? Just like his father, groomed for life for a position he is unlikely to ever be able to take up.
As for national hero? Nah, not in my eyes ... just a rich kid playing on 'daddy's money and name' really. The Paris Hilton of Great Britain |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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camelot
Barsoom
USA
294 Posts |
Posted - 01/03/2008 : 23:50:32
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| The decision to send him was flawed from the outset. This outcome was inevitable in my opinion. Just like the Iraq war it was unnecessary, inflammatory, and probably based on the same macho thinking... |
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Anubis
Barsoom
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Posted - 02/03/2008 : 10:54:59
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Originally posted by camelot
The decision to send him was flawed from the outset. This outcome was inevitable in my opinion. Just like the Iraq war it was unnecessary, inflammatory, and probably based on the same macho thinking...
The nonsense continues in today's (Sunday's) papers -- incredibly the Independent on Sunday makes its front-page story an (obviously ghosted) article by a Sandhurst graduate who can understand Prince Harry's excitement as he 'fires his sub-machine gun at a suspected Taliban stronghold' (replay the scene for yourself and you'll see Harry under instruction on a practice run). I wouldn't have expected such drivel from the Independent.
Regarding your point, Camelot, one of the better letters, from yesterday's Guardian, makes an intelligent proposal:
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NewMember
Barsoom
109 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2008 : 14:14:41
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| I think it was completely irresponsible to have sent him in the first place. Okay he is a Royal and yes he wanted to go. But isn't it right to treat any young man, or woman, regardless of status, the important lesson in life that you don't always get what you want? |
"It is impossible to enjoy idling thoroughly unless one has plenty of work to do" Jerome K. Jerome |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1159 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2008 : 15:51:22
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| That`s a good summing up of the whole argument, NM! |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Anubis
Barsoom
231 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2008 : 15:59:33
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Originally posted by NewMember
I think it was completely irresponsible to have sent him in the first place. Okay he is a Royal and yes he wanted to go. But isn't it right to treat any young man, or woman, regardless of status, the important lesson in life that you don't always get what you want?
Methinks you miss the point, New Member. We are talking about a publicity exercise. The situation had reached an all-time low in the years preceding the death of Harry's mother -- Diana was the standing joke of the nation, widely ridiculed throughout the media. Were you not alive at the time? There was barely a day, when one of her latest comments wasn't an easy joke for "Private Eye' or whatever. Then she got herself killed in Paris; at the last minute (literally) The Times pulled the latest "joke" at her expense, about to be featured on the front page, as the nation went into "mourning". The death was a manna from heaven so far as the status quo was concerned, the "Princess of Hearts" suddenly was transformed from a 'figure of fun' into a celebrity image.
When you have an idiot family, it's difficult to keep "the Firm" in place, what with Edward's ludicrous antics and, like his Dad, scraping into university with a questionable "E' grade A level. Harry, likewise, needing 'special assistance' to scrape his academic passes, and his drunken cavorting, it was felt, needed to be got away from the royal estates (to save the protected birds from being shot?), needed a publicity exercise to turn himself into a 'national hero' rather than the lregular pantomine extra ... so a few weeks of "protected" front-line duty in the perimeters of the centuries old British empire. If the intention was really to keep his adventure under cover, the press would not have been told in the first place! Nor would members of his unit be writing home to say he was there (one mother was interviewed by the BBC, day before yesterday!). Hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been massacred in these latest ventures by the American and British imperialists .... it might all be a "bit of a laugh" for Harry and his privileged types, but his presence there, indeed his very existence as a "royal prince" in the 21st Century, is a disgrace to civilized humanity. |
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Daveb
Discworld
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Posted - 02/03/2008 : 17:20:56
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| I agree Anubis, it is much better to let Afganistan, Iraq, Serbia, Ireland, Pakistan, Kenya and several other countries massacre their own people. They do not need us in there, all we do is draw their fire. |
We're all doomed!
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NewMember
Barsoom
109 Posts |
Posted - 02/03/2008 : 18:39:15
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| Sorry Anubis, but until I got to your message, all the others were, like me, expressing opinions about whether or not he should have been there, not a publicity exercise. I hear what you say about his existence as a 'royal prince in the 21st Century' - this implies to me that you are not a Royalist! Fair enough, but for me it is not a disgrace to have a royal prince these days, the disgrace is that they no longer have any power, if they ever did, to stand-up for the people of this Country. We are all ruled by Politicians, who prove to us time and time again that we cannot really believe anything they say. With all of the subsequent coverage and lucky photographs of the Prince, I just wonder what other news there is that this is covering up! |
"It is impossible to enjoy idling thoroughly unless one has plenty of work to do" Jerome K. Jerome |
Edited by - NewMember on 02/03/2008 18:41:59 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/03/2008 : 18:51:23
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Originally posted by NewMember
Sorry Anubis, but until I got to your message, all the others were, like me, expressing opinions about whether or not he should have been there, not a publicity exercise. I hear what you say about his existence as a 'royal prince in the 21st Century' - this implies to me that you are not a Royalist! Fair enough, but for me it is not a disgrace to have a royal prince these days, the disgrace is that they no longer have any power, if they ever did, to stand-up for the people of this Country. We are all ruled by Politicians, who prove to us time and time again that we cannot really believe anything they say. With all of the subsequent coverage and lucky photographs of the Prince, I just wonder what other news there is that this is covering up!
The alternative rule is what we had in the days preceding the Magna Carta and subsequent documents when Kings ruled by 'divine right'. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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NewMember
Barsoom
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Posted - 02/03/2008 : 19:08:05
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Indeed - and the little people knew their place!  |
"It is impossible to enjoy idling thoroughly unless one has plenty of work to do" Jerome K. Jerome |
Edited by - NewMember on 02/03/2008 19:09:04 |
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moon23
Calaspia
696 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 12:12:59
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Originally posted by camelot
The decision to send him was flawed from the outset. This outcome was inevitable in my opinion. Just like the Iraq war it was unnecessary, inflammatory, and probably based on the same macho thinking...
If he wanted to go then it was right to allow him. He should have just the same rights to do what he wants as everyone else.
The MOD reackon that it's too dangerous now for his fellow soilders, but they could have used it for their advantage.
They could have made pretend guys of Harry by attaching a Ginger wig to a scarecrow and putting it in a tank. This could thus lure the Taliban out as bait and into our ambushes.
The art of war is to use these things to your advantage. |
http://www.moon23.wordpress.com
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Tombstone Blues
Discworld
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 12:47:42
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Originally posted by moon23
They could have made pretend guys of Harry by attaching a Ginger wig to a scarecrow and putting it in a tank. This could thus lure the Taliban out as bait and into our ambushes.
The art of war is to use these things to your advantage.
What a wonderful image!
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 15:09:35
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Originally posted by Tombstone Blues
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Originally posted by moon23
They could have made pretend guys of Harry by attaching a Ginger wig to a scarecrow and putting it in a tank. This could thus lure the Taliban out as bait and into our ambushes.
The art of war is to use these things to your advantage.
What a wonderful image!
Yep, imagine how fun it would be controlling a dummy Prince Harry tank by remote control. You could press a little button to let out random 'Toff' sound effects; here is my suggested list for maximum authenticity:
"Anyone for a game of ruggers",
"Here I am just hanging out with the guys".
"Will said my mother would have been proud"
"Lets have a fancy dress party"
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Anubis
Barsoom
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Posted - 03/03/2008 : 16:26:33
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Originally posted by moon23
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Originally posted by Tombstone Blues
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Originally posted by moon23
They could have made pretend guys of Harry by attaching a Ginger wig to a scarecrow and putting it in a tank. This could thus lure the Taliban out as bait and into our ambushes.
The art of war is to use these things to your advantage.
What a wonderful image!
Yep, imagine how fun it would be controlling a dummy Prince Harry tank by remote control. You could press a little button to let out random 'Toff' sound effects; here is my suggested list for maximum authenticity:
"Anyone for a game of ruggers",
"Here I am just hanging out with the guys".
"Will said my mother would have been proud"
"Lets have a fancy dress party"
Brilliant suggestions from Moon 23 -- which, in the light of today's news, namely Harry's suggestion that Terry Tali will now be "out to get Chelsey" as well, there could be two dummy figures in (or on) the tank ... and our minds must boggle when we think what these two dummys might be 'getting up to' (in or on) the tank!?
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1159 Posts |
Posted - 03/03/2008 : 19:11:07
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| Moon, I do like that quote `The art of war is to use these things to your advantage`. Sounds like an ancient Chinese proverb....? |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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