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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
 Posted - 15/04/2008 : 13:50:53
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Brighton NO2ID has launched a new online petition calling on the council to take a stance against the Government's ID card scheme. It's really important that everyone who opposes this scheme signs this petition and lets their friends now about it too!
http://brighton.no2id.net/
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Borninhove
Discworld
1028 Posts |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 14:09:44
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| Nice one Mim, lets hope Brighton City council will soon be passing a motion against ID cards. |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 14:10:43
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Originally posted by Borninhove
It's too late - They've already got you!
Thanks Bornihove.. this will go on my facebook page. I'm allready a known NO2ID trouble maker this is true. |
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Borninhove
Discworld
1028 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 14:18:23
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| Can't see what all the fuss is about, myself. Most of the countries I've lived in since 1986 have required ID cards and it's never been a problem ... What? ... Yes, officer, I'll come quietly. |
 Valhalla, I am coming! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 14:37:29
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| The problem is with the biometric database as far as I am concerned. No issue with ID cards as such. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 14:38:13
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| I wouldn't hold my breath Moon. But it is worth a try. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 16:28:42
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Originally posted by Borninhove
Can't see what all the fuss is about, myself. Most of the countries I've lived in since 1986 have required ID cards and it's never been a problem ... What? ... Yes, officer, I'll come quietly.
Here in the England
we have a better view on life.
Corrupt New Labour are the Only Party
that want this american ID card.
We do not need it
or the waste of Our Tax money.
Dithering Brown is still not pushing this
due to his lack of control.
Once Corrupt New Labour are kicked out
this waste of money ID card will be deleted.
Sign Of The Times. |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1401 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 18:07:56
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| "CAN WE HAVE A BLOUDY THREAD WITHOUT BROWN BLAIR BUSH NEW FUCKING LABOUR LT YOU ARE GETTING BORING NOW I WILL MAKE A FORMAL COMPLAINT IF YOU CARRY ON" ITS OK HAVING A GRIEVIANCE BUT BLOUDY HELL YOU ARE FRIGGING OBSESSED |
keep on smiling |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 19:05:19
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Del it is all Important,
but go right ahead with a New Labour thread
I will not put anything rude on it.
As for you getting me Banned again
that is your Right.
But I will Never Change how I speak.
Easy when you want to do it
Del. |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1401 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 19:18:22
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| A complaint is not getting you banned it is asking you politely to stop refering to everything that goes wrong in the world as "new labours fault or bush /blair browns fault can you not just discus without having to mention them? no offence but it gets sickening when you see the same crap every time.give me a break and a few others please |
keep on smiling |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 19:30:20
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But Del in this Thread Case
the ID Card is 100% New Labour that Only want it in.
So in this Case the ID Card is Only because of New Labour.
So to be Fair
I have not said anything out of line.
What Next
Do you what a Forum whithout
Me attacking New Labour?
I only attack when they are Guilty. (I am not on every thread attacking them)
They are in Power - I have every Bleedin' Right to attack New Labour.
No one Elected Dithering Brown.
FACT. |
Edited by - long time no see on 15/04/2008 19:31:49 |
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Furzewick
Barsoom
United Kingdom
109 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 20:01:19
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| This forum has a Greggs thread and an old Greggs thread too. Why not an attack Corrupt FACT New pathetic Labour LT thread ? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 20:40:29
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| Maybe Delboy would then Explode? |
Edited by - long time no see on 15/04/2008 20:45:38 |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2211 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 20:45:42
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Exploding will be taxed.
Exploding without an ID card will be taxed x2 and not covered by NHS due to nasty newlabour cuts! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 20:52:19
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Originally posted by Daveb
Exploding will be taxed.
Exploding without an ID card will be taxed x2 and not covered by NHS due to nasty newlabour cuts!
You Can Not say that.
Delboy goes Mad over that. |
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livewire
Forum Admin
104 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 20:55:28
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Originally posted by long time no see
As for you getting me Banned again
that is your Right.
Point 1. You have never been banned. You have been locked out for a period.
Point 2. The only one who has got you locked out was you.
No poster on these forums has the power to get another poster locked out or banned. That power lies with Admin and Admin alone. You have been told this a number of times long time no see. It seems that not only do you find it impossible to change the way you speak but you find it impossible to take on board anything you are told. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 21:00:54
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I fully Understand
LiveWire. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2211 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 21:12:14
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Originally posted by long time no see
quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
Exploding will be taxed.
Exploding without an ID card will be taxed x2 and not covered by NHS due to nasty newlabour cuts!
You Can Not say that.
Delboy goes Mad over that.
As long as he has an ID card that will be ok.
To be honest as long as an ID card only shows a picture, age and signature I see no problem, unless you have something to hide.
I also see no real point if people can prove who they are with a birth certificate, driving licence or passport.
Therefore no different to a Driving Licence or Passport in effect
There will always be forged cards however.
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We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
Edited by - Daveb on 15/04/2008 21:13:43 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 21:20:28
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| The problem is not so much with the need for an ID card as such, though we already carry many forms of ID including the photo carrying driving licence. As far as I see it the problem is with the idea of microchip technology in the ID ccard scheme as it is currently proposed as well as with the idea of centrally held biometric data. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 21:20:41
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Moon , Miriam or Me
have nothing to Hide.
But ID cards are not wanted
and not needed. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2211 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 21:26:16
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Perhaps the problem is with those not having an UK birth certificate, passport or driving licence.
Some of those may be the target and the biggest threat? |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 21:30:33
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Originally posted by Daveb
Perhaps the problem is with those not having an UK birth certificate, passport or driving licence.
Some of those may be the target and the biggest threat?
That will always be a problem and I do not think that ID cards will actually be all that much of a deterrent there. ID cards are far more likely to cause problems where data has been entered wrongly, improperly retrieved or erroneously associated. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2211 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 21:36:39
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Logging correct data is always an issue.
I believe this is seen as the way to take a "valid" count of who is in the country.
Once again we all suffer due to the need to be politically correct and those that seek to harm us or commit some crime. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2008 : 21:48:16
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| Yes, I have heard that particular spin as well. The thing is as the microchipped biometric card collating card will rely on the appropriate authorities 'stopping' the non card carrying residents first, as is the case now, I cannot see how it would lead to a more 'valid' count. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 16/04/2008 : 15:09:16
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Originally posted by Daveb
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
Exploding will be taxed.
Exploding without an ID card will be taxed x2 and not covered by NHS due to nasty newlabour cuts!
You Can Not say that.
Delboy goes Mad over that.
As long as he has an ID card that will be ok.
To be honest as long as an ID card only shows a picture, age and signature I see no problem, unless you have something to hide.
I also see no real point if people can prove who they are with a birth certificate, driving licence or passport.
Therefore no different to a Driving Licence or Passport in effect
There will always be forged cards however.
No there isn't really a problem with an ID card that contains this information. Germany and Sweden have a simlair thing, although there will always be forged cards you are right.
The UK scheme however as Mim points out contains a large centralized database that records all of our biometric information etc. Once this information is centralized then there is a risk that it will 'go missing' something that happens frequently in the UK.
Recently people have cracked the fingerprint biometic and it's now possible if you have this information to create a forged copy that fools the machines.
Basically it's a massive waste of tax payers money to create a system which won't work and will make things worse. We are all being asked to tighten our belts, couldn't this money be better spent elsewhere? |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2211 Posts |
Posted - 16/04/2008 : 20:03:46
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I do agree as it happens.
So the cheapest way is to have your name and ID number tattoed on your forehead at birth! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2008 : 09:48:54
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Originally posted by Daveb
I do agree as it happens.
So the cheapest way is to have your name and ID number tattoed on your forehead at birth!
Mark of the beast.  |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2008 : 09:56:32
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Barcode the Arm
may be the Future. |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2008 : 09:56:53
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| This petition will be presented to the council when the motion is debated so it's important to get people to sign it. |
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FUBAR
Barsoom
425 Posts |
 Posted - 17/04/2008 : 10:15:22
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| How many names before the politicians take it seriously then? |
I came into the world with nothing and still have most of it left.. |
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New Brighton NO2ID online petition to council