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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
 Posted - 23/04/2008 : 19:37:23
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Originally posted by long time no see
Many Parents are very angry
at this Strike Tomorrow.
Life Under New Labour.
Really? They are angry? You do surprise me |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
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Posted - 23/04/2008 : 19:47:42
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Ok for one day but exam time is here.
First loyalty should be with the pupils. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2008 : 19:48:24
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Ch4 News just talked to some Angry parents
who can not Afford to have the kids at home.
The Massive Strike tomorrow is costing this Nation big money.
Life Under New Labour. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2008 : 19:49:30
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Originally posted by Daveb
Ok for one day but exam time is here.
First loyalty should be with the pupils.
What will 1 day National strike achieve? |
Edited by - long time no see on 23/04/2008 19:50:09 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2008 : 19:56:55
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Originally posted by Daveb
Ok for one day but exam time is here.
First loyalty should be with the pupils.
That is what happens with all the 'caring' professions ... as soon as they start actively doing something about the way they are being treated we remind them that their first loyalty should be to their patients/pupils/potential victims of arson ...
A teacher/nurse/fire(wo)man cannot give a hundred percent to their job while they are worried about rent/mortgage payments/rising fuel costs or stressed out due to overwork ...
I'd sooner have a teacher for my child that could commit 100% to that child and a nurse who didn't wasn't half beat through having to do longer hours or a fire(wo)man who did not have to worry about whether or not they can keep the roof over their head. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2436 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2008 : 19:57:59
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Just a show of opinion to sway the government.
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We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2008 : 20:06:45
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Originally posted by Daveb
Just a show of opinion to sway the government.
But Brown
does not care.
So many Parents have to get someone to look after their kids
and it is Costing Big Money for short notice. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2008 : 20:39:27
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Originally posted by long time no see
But Brown
does not care.
So many Parents have to get someone to look after their kids
and it is Costing Big Money for short notice.
Maybe Brown doesn't care but are we, the electorate so much more concerned - except for where it cost us big money as you put it so eloquently LTNS. Why on earth are we not kicking up a stink that the very services that underpin our society are so badly treated? Why on earth are we not up in arms (metaphorically speaking) about the raw deal that teachers/police/the fire brigade/the nurses and midwives and all those other essential key personnel are getting?
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2008 : 20:54:48
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Parents are Up In Arms
in many places.
The Police - Who are they?
under CORRUPT New Labour
it is all day light hours with No Police - Just Community Workers
in Real Police clothes.
Life Under New Labour. |
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Borninhove
Discworld
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Posted - 24/04/2008 : 05:14:43
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I've been teaching for 22 years yet never in a country/part of the profession where there was a union. Unionisation is frowned upon in the EFL world, alas, so we occasionally run across some pretty shabby treatment. However, we have the luxury of ours being a fairly transient business, so if you are paid peanuts / given no resources / made to work unreasonable overtime it is fairly easy just to pack your bags and move on, something that 'real' teachers don't really have the chance to do, being much more tied to their communities.
So, what is the deal here? Teachers want 4% instead of 2.4% pay increase. Well, I don't know about back home, but here prices have been rising steadily all year, especially food prices, and if you don't keep the teachers in affordable instant coffee and Hobnobs then the whole edifice of education could come crumbling down. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 24/04/2008 : 15:51:57
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The NUT Teachers marched through Brighton this morning
shouting about the Pay.
No one cares.
Life Under New Labour. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 24/04/2008 : 17:00:17
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Originally posted by long time no see
The NUT Teachers marched through Brighton this morning
shouting about the Pay.
No one cares.
Life Under New Labour.
You may not care LTNS but many people do. I think it outrageous that people who carry the responsibility of educating our young are having to fight for a living wage while you have the likes of 'celebs' raking it in. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 24/04/2008 : 17:17:43
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Yes it is Bloody Outrageous.
Vote New Labour Out of Office.
Brown is Doing Nothing
so more Strikes may follow.
Childcare costs £7 per hour or more
so that is £56 for the day of many parents
and No Help from Un Elected Brown. |
Edited by - long time no see on 24/04/2008 18:07:02 |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/04/2008 : 10:42:46
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| Do you work for channel 4 LT? the reason I ask is that you always seem to qoute them,now the ITV channels seem to have given a different perspective than you have(As did the BBC) most parents who have been interviewed by reporters have given full support to the teachers strike,of course there is always one who bucks the trend,I niether disagree or agree with the strike ;I do agree that if you give a decent service then you deserve a decent wage |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 25/04/2008 : 10:50:30
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| Funny enough a straw poll and admittedly in the Argus but just over 50% of all those asked agreed with the teachers going on strike. |
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 25/04/2008 : 10:50:55
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Their pay is not great, but they get 12 weeks or so holliday, of which they may spend one or two doing prep.
Many new teachers also get part of their student loans paid off and money to help with their qualifications in the first place.
Life is hard for many these days. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 25/04/2008 : 10:55:31
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A teacher does not just work the hours that the shcool is open for pupils. There are parent evenings and mentoring sessions. Increasingly there is a demand for reports and consultations with other 'professionals' ... In addition there are hours that are spent updating their knowledge as the world moves ever on and so does what we expect our children to learn. And all that is without the prep time needed before and the marking time needed after every lesson.
The twelve or so weeks that the school is closed is not all 'me-time' for teachers ... |
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 25/04/2008 : 12:12:04
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
A teacher does not just work the hours that the shcool is open for pupils. There are parent evenings and mentoring sessions. Increasingly there is a demand for reports and consultations with other 'professionals' ... In addition there are hours that are spent updating their knowledge as the world moves ever on and so does what we expect our children to learn. And all that is without the prep time needed before and the marking time needed after every lesson.
The twelve or so weeks that the school is closed is not all 'me-time' for teachers ...
I know, but they do get non-contact hours during the normal school week in addition to teacher training days. Also most people do 9-5 so they get two hours from when school finishes around 3ish.
Lot's of other job's require people to do additional work outside of the hours they actually have to be somewhere and you don't get the 12 weeks.
For instance academics have to publish research papers, attend conferences and do research but only get the normal 4 weeks like everyone else.
I do think all public sector workers should get more pay and that there is a huge divide between the have's and have not's in our society. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 25/04/2008 : 12:20:23
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| They don't get enough non-contact hours in the day to make up for all the non-contact work they have to do. Believe me, I know - I've worked with teachers and to do the job properly, especially with all the additional paperwork that has been dumped on them over the past few years, requires more hours then a day has. |
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 25/04/2008 : 13:25:22
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Yea just like every other job! There is always a demand for more reporting and information these days so everyone has more bloody paperwork to do.
It's hard for the first few years when you are thinking up new lessons, but once you have them sorted then you can use them again and again.
All the teachers I know are just good at moaning lots, when they don't realize how easy they have it. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 09:24:50
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Originally posted by moon23
All the teachers I know are just good at moaning lots, when they don't realize how easy they have it.
Bleedin' Typical.
Life In The City. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 09:27:43
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Originally posted by long time no see
Bleedin' Typical.
Life In The City.
Bleedin' typical of what LTNS? Moon style posts? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 13:18:24
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Typical of the teachers.
On Radio 4 Question Time
No One person had any support for the Teachers Strike.
Sign Of The Times. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2436 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 20:44:49
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| They can always come and drive buses in Brighton. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 21:02:20
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| Who was on the panel LTNS? |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1454 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 21:31:22
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LT can you once and for all "back up or shut up"???? it really gets boring you once posted and made some of us think(ok I have a small brain ) it is about time after all the cr*p you come out with you either put up or shut up!!!! |
keep on smiling |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 21:33:34
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Originally posted by thedelboy
LT can you once and for all "back up or shut up"???? it really gets boring you once posted and made some of us think(ok I have a small brain) it is about time after all the cr*p you come out with you either put up or shut up!!!!
I think you should Cease to be Rude.
That would be best. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 21:39:14
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Who was on the panel LTNS?
HAZEL BLEARS MP: Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government
ERIC PICKLES MP: Shadow Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government
Professor COLIN BLAKEMORE: neurobiologist + former chief executive of Medical Research Council
LORD (TIM) RAZZALL: Liberal Democrat spokesman for Trade and Industry in the House of Lords
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6155 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 21:56:13
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| Just those four? Hardly typical of the average parent are they? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2008 : 22:01:59
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Miriam
what about the Audience
So it was not just 4.
FACT. |
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Teachers on a National Strike