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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6640 Posts

Posted - 03/10/2007 :  06:08:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seems I was wrong (see above)
quote:
On Tuesday, Israeli Army radio reported that Israeli planes had attacked a military target "deep inside Syria", quoting the military censor. No further details were given.
here

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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long time no see
Earthsea



United Kingdom
7262 Posts

Posted - 24/10/2007 :  22:11:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2198229,00.html

Israel is going to Cut the Power Off
in Gaza.

Sign Of The Times.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6640 Posts

Posted - 24/10/2007 :  22:43:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2198229,00.html

Israel is going to Cut the Power Off
in Gaza.

Sign Of The Times.

I suppose it is better then counter attacking.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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long time no see
Earthsea



United Kingdom
7262 Posts

Posted - 24/10/2007 :  22:48:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is True.
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camelot
Barsoom



USA
481 Posts

Posted - 25/10/2007 :  02:01:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This looks bad to me: but propaganda being what it is who's to say...

Israel pressuring ill Palestinians to be informers, activists say

KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip — Yasser Hiyya didn't know why he was always so weak and tired until this summer, when doctors discovered a small hole in his heart. Israel gave Hiyya permission to leave the Gaza Strip last month and cross Israeli territory for immediate surgery in the Palestinian-controlled West Bank .

But when he arrived at the Israeli border crossing, he learned that there was a catch. In a daylong interrogation, Hiyya said, Israeli intelligence offered him a deal: Tell us about your brother, a wanted militant, and we'll let you enter Israel for the operation you need.

When Hiyya refused, they turned him away.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20071024/wl_mcclatchy/20071024bcmideastgaza_attn_national_foreign_editors_ytop
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6640 Posts

Posted - 25/10/2007 :  05:18:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Doesn't look good does it? If this is indeed the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the facts of the case it is deplorable and reprehensible conduct.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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Borninhove
Discworld



1035 Posts

Posted - 25/10/2007 :  07:48:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seems like a fair deal to me - Help us to save lives by stopping this terrorist and we will save your life. Tough, but fair.

Valhalla, I am coming!
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6640 Posts

Posted - 25/10/2007 :  08:35:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
True, it would be tough but fair ... however I personally think that it is a highway to exploitation by the sensationalist anti-Israel mob.

Like it or not, Israel needs to consider how matters can be used against them.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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camelot
Barsoom



USA
481 Posts

Posted - 30/10/2007 :  02:31:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Every once in a while something happens in Israel that gives me hope that reason will prevail...

JERUSALEM (AFP) - Israel's attorney general said Monday that planned punitive cuts in electricity supplies to the Gaza Strip can not go ahead before a full assessment of the possible humanitarian consequences.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071029/ts_afp/mideastisraelgazasanctions


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Borninhove
Discworld



1035 Posts

Posted - 30/10/2007 :  04:43:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It makes you wonder how the people of Dover would have felt in 1940 if, as German shells rained down on their town on a daily basis, the government in London had been providing oil and electricity to Calais.


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camelot
Barsoom



USA
481 Posts

Posted - 30/10/2007 :  04:59:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
True.. but the people of Gaza are not the Third Reich... by any stretch of the imagination. The situation is more like a gang from a neighborhood causing problems, with Israel saying we will cut of water, electricity, and all basic commodities if you don't reign in your roughies...even if the people have no control over the gangs. That's what this revue is about.
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Borninhove
Discworld



1035 Posts

Posted - 30/10/2007 :  05:45:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
the people of Gaza are not the Third Reich... by any stretch of the imagination.
They may not be, but Hamas certainly does a pretty good impression at times, especially in the Hitler Youth league:



"Tomorrow...belongs to me!!!"



"Kids today, eh. They blow up so quickly."

Valhalla, I am coming!

Edited by - Borninhove on 30/10/2007 05:47:50
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Borninhove
Discworld



1035 Posts

Posted - 01/11/2007 :  11:05:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The sheer diabolic evil and beastliness of it all!!! Those murderous terrorists of Hamas have now unleashed a weapon even more fiendish than their rockets, suicide bombers or IEDs upon the innocent unsuspecting people of the world:

The Boy Band!!!!



"By the shrouds of the dead we are inspired ... ooooh yeah! Do..dododo..dum ... Wow!

Are there no depths to which these monsters will not sink?

Valhalla, I am coming!

Edited by - Borninhove on 01/11/2007 11:06:38
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6640 Posts

Posted - 15/11/2007 :  12:54:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's a point of view
quote:
Yet all this is beside the point. The refusal of the Palestinian Authority to acknowledge Israel as a legitimate Jewish state isn't a denial of reality; it is a sign of their determination to change that reality. Like Arab leaders going back a century, they seek not to live in peace with the Jewish state, but in place of the Jewish state. Olmert can show up at Annapolis bearing Palestinian sovereignty on a silver platter, with half of Jerusalem thrown in for good measure. He will not walk away with peace. On the contrary: He will intensify the Arab determination to replace the world's one Jewish state with its 23rd Arab state.
here

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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Borninhove
Discworld



1035 Posts

Posted - 16/11/2007 :  05:45:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, exactly. The Annapolis conference is just Bush's way of trying to leave a 'legacy' before he heads off to his Texas Ranch and his six-figure speaking engagements. Like Clinton's efforts in 1999-2000, this will acheive precisely nothing. Oh, Clinton may have got Yasser Arafat gurning and slobbering and shaking hands on the White House lawn and on the beach at Sharm Al Sheikh but within a few months he had mobilised his Intifada and plunged his poor people into years of conflict and economic disaster.

Jacoby sums it up very well. The aim is not a 2-state solution for much of the Arab World. It is one state, with one religion and only one group of people. And it ain't da joos. For Israel to survive another 60 years it needs to be made absolutely clear to its neighbours that this is not going to happen. Annapolis is not going to help do this.

Valhalla, I am coming!

Edited by - Borninhove on 16/11/2007 05:49:16
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long time no see
Earthsea



United Kingdom
7262 Posts

Posted - 09/01/2008 :  11:02:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1299954,00.html



Evil Bush arrives in Israel.
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camelot
Barsoom



USA
481 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  13:50:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well that's a relief. Here I was worried about the mideast conflict going on forever....

Bush predicts Mideast peace treaty

RAMALLAH, West Bank - President Bush on Thursday predicted that a Mideast peace treaty would be completed by the time he leaves, and named a U.S. Air Force general to oversee compliance with a U.S.-backed peace plan.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080110/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_mideast

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Norbert
Alagaësía



65 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  22:49:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Galloway v Frum Newsnight
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6640 Posts

Posted - 10/01/2008 :  23:47:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Norbert

Galloway v Frum Newsnight


Gorgeous George not withstanding, the double standards regarding the holding of Nuclear weaponry is an issue.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6640 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2008 :  07:32:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just in case you have missed the 'speak lots while saying nothing' of our ubiquitous erstwhile PM ...
quote:
Tony Blair has said he believes a peace settlement between the Israelis and Palestinians is achievable.
here

I wish I could have said that I was impressed!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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long time no see
Earthsea



United Kingdom
7262 Posts

Posted - 11/01/2008 :  08:09:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes a Carbon Copy
of Evil Bush on many things.
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long time no see
Earthsea



United Kingdom
7262 Posts

Posted - 15/01/2008 :  22:58:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1300837,00.html

Israel kills the Son of a Hamas leader,
I would say GW.Bush has changed Nothing.



Sign of The Times.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6640 Posts

Posted - 15/01/2008 :  23:18:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1300837,00.html

Israel kills the Son of a Hamas leader,
I would say GW.Bush has changed Nothing.



Sign of The Times.

Apparently there were others killed at the same time LTNS. In fact at least 18 other Palestinians ... are they of any less value then the son of a Hamas Leader?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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long time no see
Earthsea



United Kingdom
7262 Posts

Posted - 15/01/2008 :  23:21:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Of course not.
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long time no see
Earthsea



United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/01/2008 :  23:01:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So now Israel cuts Gaza's Power.
Is this going to create even more of a fight.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6640 Posts

Posted - 21/01/2008 :  23:07:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see

So now Israel cuts Gaza's Power.
Is this going to create even more of a fight.

Actually you are a wee bit behind the times LTNS

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin

Edited by - Miriam Binder on 21/01/2008 23:32:39
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long time no see
Earthsea



United Kingdom
7262 Posts

Posted - 21/01/2008 :  23:11:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sure they must allow
meds in.
But Cutting the Electric
is pure Evil.

That link ain't working right.

Edited by - long time no see on 21/01/2008 23:22:03
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6640 Posts

Posted - 21/01/2008 :  23:24:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see

Sure they must allow
meds in.
But Cutting the Electric
is pure Evil.

What was it BiH said again? Ah yes ... here:
quote:
Originally posted by Borninhove

It makes you wonder how the people of Dover would have felt in 1940 if, as German shells rained down on their town on a daily basis, the government in London had been providing oil and electricity to Calais.



The fact is that Israel has finally taken a step it could have taken years ago. It has not done this without any prior warning. The matter was suggested as a possibility as far back as October of last year.

There has been an escalation of attacks from the Gaza region. What would you rather Israel did then? Throw the might of the IDF at the Gaza strip? And what would that achieve? The further escalation of hostilities for starters with many more dead on both sides.

Like it or not the issue of Israel and the Middle East is not going to be resolved unless everyone, and I do mean everyone in the area accepts 1. the right of all people to exist and 2. gets around the table and talk!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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camelot
Barsoom



USA
481 Posts

Posted - 22/01/2008 :  06:12:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Argggg what a mess. Once again extremists find a way to make Israel look bad. Fire off rockets and wait for the Israeli reprisals to solidify the hate among the common folk. Nothing unites like an attack on a civilian population... (See the Blitz; London, Mid twentieth century)
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Borninhove
Discworld



1035 Posts

Posted - 23/01/2008 :  08:21:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Apologies for the long quote, but it makes the point well:
quote:
When Gaza was plunged into darkness, the western media knew who was to blame.

The Guardian:
Besieged civilians pay the price for Israel's hardline response to rocket attacks.
The Independent:
Israeli blockade forces Gaza's only power plant to shut.
The Times:
Darkness falls on Gaza as Israel takes revenge for rocket attacks.

One small problem with this version of events. It wasn’t Israel that shut down Gaza’s electricity supply. It was Hamas. What Israel did was close its border crossings to all goods (eased yesterday) in response to intensive Qassam rocket attacks on the western Negev – 220 rockets fired in four days. Hamas promptly plunged Gaza into darkness, knowing that the west would uncritically swallow its claim that Israel was to blame for the distressing accounts that would follow of a humanitarian crisis. Naturally they did -- just as they continue to pretend that Hamas has only the one border with Israel through which it can obtain supplies, and therefore it is Israel which always 'blockades' it; whereas of course Gaza has a second border with Egypt through which it could certainly receive a flow of goods and fuel – especially since it continues to receive through it an uninterrupted flow of weapons with which to attack and kill innocent Israelis. Indeed, the border with Egypt means that the idea that Israel can ever 'cut off' Gaza or that it has turned it into a sealed 'prison' is entirely false.

Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, normally so slow to defend its own actions, is on this occasion clearly incandescent at the gross unfairness of the coverage and has issued this furious statement:

The supply of electricity to Gaza from the Israel and the Egyptian power grids (124 Megawatts and 17 Megawatts respectively) has continued uninterrupted. These 141 Megawatts of power represents about three quarters of Gaza's electricity needs. While the fuel supply from Israel into Gaza has indeed been reduced, due to the Hamas rocket attacks, the diversion of this fuel from domestic power generators to other uses is wholly a Hamas decision - apparently taken due to media and propaganda considerations. Noteworthy is the fact that while the Gaza population remains in the dark, the fuel generating power to the Hamas rocket manufacturing industry continues to flow unabated. The Hamas claim of humanitarian crisis in Gaza is also greatly exaggerated. There is no shortage of basic foodstuffs, and Gaza patients who need treatment in Israeli hospitals continue to travel into Israel for care.

Far from Israel imposing ‘collective punishment’ or taking ‘revenge’ upon Gaza, as the EU, UNWRA and the media have claimed, it is almost certainly the only country on the planet which continues to provide fuel and other supplies to people who use them to continue to wage war upon it.

But then, people in the west don’t know about those 220 rocket attacks in four days because the western media simply refuse to report them. Instead they only report Israel’s attempts to defend itself which are thus represented as ‘revenge’, ‘punishment’ or simple aggression. Vile. As usual.

From the Spectator.


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