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Obviously you have your opinion, and i have mine, and but for the sacrifice America and to a lesser degree, Britain, the world would be a far more dangerous place.

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There is no way of going back in time and trying a different route to see if the outcome would have been more or less danger for the West. However the issue of Iraq is without a doubt brought about by lies/prevarication and abuse of power by what are supposedly elected representatives both here and in the US of A.

Blair with the single minded pursuit of his American dream has sold this country for a pat on the head by Shrubby, a lecture circuit after his retirement from office and in the course of that has altered the balance of power within parliament, demeaned the intelligence services, practically single handed destroyed all faith in politics and politicians, put enormous strain on every government service including but not exclusive to service the Armed Forces through the Police, Education, the NHS, immigration, national security and our international status.

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Originally posted by jodan

If that were the case, surely the local elections would have shown this countries electorate voting for anyone other than Labour, as it is it was hardly the landslide your opinion would lead us to believe should have happened.

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If that were the case, surely the local elections would have shown this countries electorate voting for anyone other than Labour, as it is it was hardly the landslide your opinion would lead us to believe should have happened.

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Have you looked at the numbers of voters? They have gone steadily down. Fewer and fewer people are bothering to vote because fewer and fewer people believe that they can effect any change. Not only has Blair's majority decreased steadily but the number of people who actually bothered to vote at all has decreased steadily. However that aside, I do not recall mentioning the electorate in my post. I mentioned the damage he has done to various services.

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Originally posted by jodan

I assume you felt strongly enough to register your vote at the local elections, and surely those who felt strongly about what has happened would have been more inclined to vote, whilst those who dont care either way would have been less likely to vote, yet the results dont bear that out, perhaps you have convinced yourself that you are right, without actually looking at the realities of things.

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Originally posted by Miriam Binder

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I assume you felt strongly enough to register your vote at the local elections, and surely those who felt strongly about what has happened would have been more inclined to vote, whilst those who dont care either way would have been less likely to vote, yet the results dont bear that out, perhaps you have convinced yourself that you are right, without actually looking at the realities of things.

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True enough that that is another explanation for the low turn out. Personally I hold with another.

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Originally posted by jodan

Which is?

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All UK Troops should be pulled out of Iraq.

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Originally posted by Miriam Binder

Wonder what this is all about

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Originally posted by FUBAR

LTNS can you be reported for

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This is a Illegal war

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Originally posted by FUBAR

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This is a Illegal war

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Are we all going to be arrested then?

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Originally posted by Miriam Binder

LTNS, this may surprise you but there are other troops on the ground in Iraq apart from the American and British troops.

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