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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/09/2007 : 10:33:55
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Borninhove
Calaspia
855 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2007 : 12:50:21
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What have the Brits been doing in Iraq? Well, I just finished reading this, and a ripping read it was too.
All very boy's own - 100 plucky British soldiers stuck in a small compound in the centre of Amarah in 2004 when Moqtada Al Sada declares war and they spend months beseiged by mortar, RPG and rocket attack as well as numerous assaults by thousands of Mahdi Army supporters. What a read!
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nightowl
Barsoom
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 Posted - 03/09/2007 : 21:30:49
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Originally posted by long time no see
UK Troops leave the Basra Central Palace area
and set up at a base near the Airport.
One new Iraqi General says he can handle Basra Palace.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1282483,00.html
Time will tell
on how long,
until the UK troops may return.
Well I hope not LT, we may have won the military war but the political war can only be resolved by the Iraqi people.
We should keep out of it now and do a slow withdraw of our troops from Iraq.
See Bush is holding a war council in Iraq, think he will follow our line now or America will be left on its own there.....
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/09/2007 : 22:01:35
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I agree we should keep out of it.
And they are now at the Airport base
that is Only 5 miles away.
The MOD Filmed them going
that very short transfer.
But that one Outside Iraqi General in charge
may be killed.
Bush rushing out there
just before he takes his report to his congress.
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Edited by - long time no see on 03/09/2007 22:06:43 |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6275 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 08:07:49
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Borninhove
Calaspia
855 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 08:48:50
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Come on, LTNS, where is the Steve Bell cartoon? It's quite a good one today - "an homage to Magritte".
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Edited by - Borninhove on 04/09/2007 08:52:30 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5229 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 08:52:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Borninhove
Come on, LTNS, where is the Steve Bell cartoon? It's quite a good one today - "an homage to Magritte".
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Borninhove
Calaspia
855 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 09:58:33
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Well, if he's not going to post it, I will:
Good stuff from Brighton's own
FACT
(Makes a change from the usual unsubtle 'bloodstained chimpBush' fare, anyway) |
Valhalla, I am coming! |
Edited by - Borninhove on 04/09/2007 09:59:55 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5229 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 10:02:35
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6275 Posts |
Posted - 04/09/2007 : 12:30:56
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6275 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 17:56:39
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In Washington DC
the Iraq Report is now Live on Worldwide TV News
and Worldwide Radio News.
Time To Go
and American Fiasco in Iraq
are the Two leading points.
Sign Of The Times. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6275 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2007 : 20:26:25
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1 Person Killed and 11 injured on yet another
easy attack on a US Base in Iraq.
SkyNews Live. |
Edited by - long time no see on 11/09/2007 20:26:49 |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6275 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2007 : 22:56:48
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5229 Posts |
Posted - 25/09/2007 : 10:23:19
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Borninhove
Calaspia
855 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2007 : 10:28:43
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Mission Accomplishedquote:
...three and a half years after the start of the insurgency, most of the big questions in Iraq have been resolved. Moreover, they have been resolved in ways that are mostly towards the positive end of the range of outcomes imagined at the start of the project. The country is whole. It has embraced the ballot box. It has created a fair and popular constitution. It has avoided all-out civil war. It has not been taken over by Iran. It has put an end to Kurdish and marsh Arab genocide, and anti-Shia apartheid. It has rejected mass revenge against the Sunnis. As shown in the great national votes of 2005 and the noisy celebrations of the Iraq football team's success in July, Iraq survived the Saddam Hussein era with a sense of national unity; even the Kurds—whose reluctant commitment to autonomy rather than full independence is in no danger of changing—celebrated. Iraq's condition has not caused a sectarian apocalypse across the region. The country has ceased to be a threat to the world or its region. The only neighbours threatened by its status today are the leaders in Damascus, Riyadh and Tehran.
... and much more of that ilk in this very well-written and thought-provoking piece in this month's Prospect Magazine. So LTNS et al can keep recycling their tired old "illegal war, jail Blair" mantra while meanwhile the world has moved on.
Well worth a read if you are interested in this part of the world. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6275 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 19:50:16
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On Radio 5
and UK Ch4 News, today,
both had interviews with UK Troops and Iraqi Nationals.
Both said the invasion made Iraq the mess it is, today.
And even worse one Angry UK Troop said we trained the Police
now they Kill us.
He said Brown is
in his bubble and has no real idea.
So BornInHove
you are even in Saudi Edu
and You do not have a clue.
Sign Of The Times. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5229 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 22:17:09
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Originally posted by long time no see
So BornInHove
you are even in Saudi Edu
Adan there was me thinking that BiH was odd in Saudi Edu ... just goes to show. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6275 Posts |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6275 Posts |
Posted - 26/10/2007 : 16:40:42
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Turkey Air force has Hit targets in
Northern Iraq.
America has not helped them enough
so why should they let their troops be killed.
SkyNews Live.
Sign Of The Times. |
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Daveb
Discworld
1864 Posts |
Posted - 26/10/2007 : 19:05:12
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Kurds were always a problem to Turkey and Saddam.
If Turkey invade what then?
Do US/UK troops help Iraq defend its borders against a NATO country?
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6275 Posts |
Posted - 26/10/2007 : 21:06:52
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America is over stretched
they want the Turks helping them,
they do not care about the Dead Turks.
It is North Iraq
run by the Corrupt AmericanS
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5229 Posts |
Posted - 26/10/2007 : 22:56:57
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Sectarianism is an age old problem and in the Middle East perhaps more so probably because of the traditional loyalty to the family and to the tribe. However sectarian violence is not an Islamic primordial reaction to modernity.
Look for instance at the partition of Lebanon which led to the 1860 massacre of Christians by the Druze.Following the partition of Lebanon animosities between the religious sects increased, nurtured by outside powers. The French who supported the Christians, the British who supported the Druze and the Ottomans who fomented strife to increase their control.
Again, using Lebanon as an example, with the Ottoman reform movement launched in 1839 and the growing European presence in the Middle East contributing to the disintegration of the traditional Lebanese social order based on a hierarchy that bridged religious differences. European colonialism and Orientalism, with their emphasis on Christian salvation and Islamic despotism, and Ottoman and local nationalisms each created and used narratives of sectarianism as foils to their own visions of modernity and to their own projects of colonial, imperial, and national development.
It follows that sectarianism and in particular sectarian violence, represents a deliberate mobilisation of religious identities for political and social purposes.
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Daveb
Discworld
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Posted - 27/10/2007 : 18:19:00
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Scenario.
Turkey invades Northern Iraq.
Kurds flee south.
Iraqi forces meet Kurds head on.
What do the Americans do?
Watch the massacre of Kurds? |
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Hambag
Barsoom
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Posted - 29/10/2007 : 13:34:35
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Originally posted by Daveb
Scenario.
Turkey invades Northern Iraq.
Kurds flee south.
Iraqi forces meet Kurds head on.
What do the Americans do?
Watch the massacre of Kurds?
Well, by guessing what the US government did in the 80s, they won't just watch. They will supply the gas too.
Former US Defence Secretary Mr Rumsfeld back in the 80s with a former mate:
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5229 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2007 : 13:39:33
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The politics of expediency
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Hambag
Barsoom
139 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2007 : 13:44:52
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
America is over stretched
they want the Turks helping them,
they do not care about the Dead Turks.
It is North Iraq
run by the Corrupt AmericanS
100%.
Why are you so anti-American to the exclusion of all other wrong doing on the global stage? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6275 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2007 : 13:49:50
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Because
America is not wanted in Iraq. |
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Hambag
Barsoom
139 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2007 : 14:33:00
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Originally posted by long time no see
Because
America is not wanted in Iraq.
...and Britain and Australia are? |
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Hambag
Barsoom
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Posted - 29/10/2007 : 14:37:17
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Why do you not say pathetic corrupt BRITS?
Our leaders are complicit, by virtue of your logic you should be referring to us in the same way. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6275 Posts |
Posted - 29/10/2007 : 14:41:25
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Iraq - America's Mess