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Daveb
Earthsea
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 Posted - 30/06/2007 : 21:13:16
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This is the strong action I refer to.
If it upsets some people I really do not give a damn.
Keep the UK safe as it can be.
Un-elected or not Brown has shown some metal.
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We're all doomed!
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 21:17:13
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Three attempts and three failures, no body injured except the perpetrators, lets keep it like that.
We need to be vigilant and eager to report anything unusual to the police
Perhaps we should have a dads army or civilian defence force again to help secure sensitive areas like airports, undergrounds and railways.
They can do the bag and car searching where necessary, just a thought, nothing like a visible high profile security to deter them....... |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2211 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 21:20:48
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Originally posted by nightbird
Three attempts and three failures, no body injured except the perpetrators, lets keep it like that.
We need to be vigilant and eager to report anything unusual to the police
Perhaps we should have a dads army or civilian defence force again to help secure sensitive areas like airports, undergrounds and railways.
They can do the bag and car searching where necessary, just a thought, nothing like a visible high profile security to deter them.......
Prevention is better than cure OR funerals |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 21:25:50
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| How do we prevent it Dave? arrest and repatriate all Asians and Muslims? |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2211 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 21:34:56
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There is no easy answer as with the IRA.
Not all Asians and Muslims are bombers.
I have friends of all race and creed.
Those that preach hatred should be removed.
Just let the authorities have the power to do their job without the liberals and lawyers playing the discrimination card.
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 21:36:56
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quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
This is the strong action I refer to.
If it upsets some people I really do not give a damn.
Keep the UK safe as it can be.
Un-elected or not Brown has shown some metal.
Dave
No one is upset
Police now have the Power to Shoot to Kill.
What I am saying
is no one is dead yet
the crew are not pro's.
Of course due to Evil Blair And Bush
around 5,000 UK drop out Muslims are
all able to sign up to try to attack the UK
many of them are weak, scared.
But , of course,
it just takes One clever Bomber to get a 1000
or more killed.
But all these Long Hours on Security
and they only have the Clear Photo of the man they had arrested before on Terror.
I am sure they will now track him.
Maybe there is 500 active with plans, right now,
Maybe they do not have the balls to Die like Khan of 7/7 did. |
Edited by - long time no see on 30/06/2007 21:39:23 |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 21:38:20
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Originally posted by nightbird
How do we prevent it Dave? arrest and repatriate all Asians and Muslims?
No but if any do not hand over
the Wanted Terror gang
and break our laws.
Give them Life.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 21:42:35
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| No Daveb, wanting the streets safe isn't necessarily right-wing. I suppose it is a case of weighing up the gains and losses. As much as the claim is that a random stop and search is to increase security I doubt very much that it will have any real effect. They are far more likely to find the odd contraband bottle of spirits/untaxed tobacco products/pornographic magazine hidden in a stack of school papers then they are to actually catch a terrorist in the process of setting a booby-trap/car bomb ... The only way to really have an effect on the fight against terrorism is with intelligence and the covert gathering thereof. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2211 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 21:52:03
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Yes, that is why they watch and leave the known leaders.
i.e. Adams and McGuiness.
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We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 22:11:50
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| You see, the thing I fear is this ... that governments will use the threat of terrorism to restrict and curtail the activities of those loose cannons that are the free thinking individuals that make up democratic societies. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2211 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 22:26:48
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It is a fine balance.
When those that are intent on mayhem cause killing and distrution it is easy for other fanatics to claim rights.
Laws, like the human rights act were set up with good intention but are abused.
Common sense must prevail.
I do not believe any religion says go blow the crap out of those that disagree. Most people wish to live in peace, which is why people move to the UK.
Those that do not should either F*ck off or be prepared to expect a backlash from those that like it here and are patriotic.
I did not go into the services to protect those that do want a free thinking democratic UK.
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 22:37:18
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Yes Un-Elected Brown
is going to have to do more. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 22:40:03
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Dave
There is No God. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 30/06/2007 : 22:48:11
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| That is the real problem in a nutshell. Not the fact that we have human rights but that the human rights act is abused. We need to indeed use common sense a lot more and address the gist of the act rather then the letter of the act. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2007 : 07:56:52
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| Life ain't simple and international and national security is no exception. Wheels within wheels and deals within deals ... it all hangs together out there somewhere. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2211 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2007 : 08:22:03
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Originally posted by long time no see
Dave
There is No God.
Agreed |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2007 : 15:53:47
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| Never happen in the UK , though. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2007 : 23:02:15
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2007 : 23:24:00
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 01/07/2007 : 23:50:18
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| Why should that be more disturbing? Acts of terrorism are carried out by people who are in the sway of an extreme ideology ... Doctors are no more exempt from that then anyone else. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 00:12:32
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 00:16:51
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| Good grief ... emotivism is holding sway on this again ... Don't for one moment think this is all that unusual. People in all walks of life are extremists. |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 00:17:50
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| I would have thought being doctors and intelligent they didn't subscribe to the idea of mass murder of innocents let alone subscibe to a primitive idealology that preaches such things. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 00:23:04
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| Intelligence has very little to do with whether or not people ascribe to extremist views. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 00:26:26
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Intelligence has very little to do with whether or not people ascribe to extremist views.
What does then? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 00:32:36
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| I think it is more of an emotional response. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 00:36:43
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
I think it is more of an emotional response.
How did Islam, which was driven by the pursuit of knowledge, become so submerged in frightful ignorance?
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2007 : 00:45:51
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The rise and decline of civilisations is part and parcel of the ebb and flow of society I suppose. But nightbird please remember, thought we are talking about the current threat/s which happened to have been brought about by some Muslims, extremism and acts of terrorism have been perpetrated by individuals other then Muslims and in some instances the motive, though no less compelling according to those engaged in them, was not even religious.
What we should really worry about it extremism in all its various shades and colours. It is extremism rather then Islam perse that is behind these acts of terrorism. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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