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nightbird
Calaspia
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 Posted - 10/07/2007 : 05:31:51
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Originally posted by Daveb
Shooting the wrong man was a very strange and disturbing event.
I think someone may have just got trigger happy.
A convincing preacher of murder will always get the result they want.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6259560.stm |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 13:20:56
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| just reading the above link makes me understand why a lot of distrust regarding honest policing is now rampant in this country,this is one big cover up;the Police should have admitted straight away thier mistake!!(anyone can make a mistake)albeit if any normal citizen made the same mistake they would get a hefty sentance not a pat on the back perhaps Gordon Brown can get a new investigation going (and pigs might fly) |
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Daveb
Discworld
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Posted - 10/07/2007 : 14:09:42
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Just thought I would throw this into the pot.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6286500.stm
Do you think that it will take much before this sort of action is required in the UK? |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2007 : 14:19:00
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| Countries that host these radical groups have had enough, we are seeing it in the Lebanon and now Pakistan the eradication of such militants. |
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Borninhove
Calaspia
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Posted - 13/09/2007 : 10:37:06
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Saw this cartoon and thought it belonged on this thread, especially considering all the arrests in Belgium a couple of days ago:
Protest like this:
and you can expect this:
and a bit of this:
Shhh! Don't say a word! |
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Daveb
Discworld
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2007 : 12:25:01
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Yes New Labour's Downsized
MI5 can not Track them all.
Infact that is what went down with some of the London 7/7
bombers, they were tracked ,but not all the time.
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Hambag
Barsoom
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Posted - 05/11/2007 : 13:19:17
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Originally posted by Borninhove
Saw this cartoon and thought it belonged on this thread, especially considering all the arrests in Belgium a couple of days ago:
You see, this sort of right-wing satire is a lame straw-man argument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman). People who are anti-discrimination are not terrorist appeasers.
That's just bent. You only need one once of intelligence to see that. |
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Borninhove
Calaspia
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Posted - 05/11/2007 : 13:59:02
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hambagquote:
That's just bent. You only need one once of intelligence to see that.
Thanks for the link to wikipedia for a definition of Strawman. And there was me thinking you were talking about the Wizard of Oz. How would I ever have known without wikipedia? I guess my less than one once of intelligence let me down there.
The cartoon is suggesting that the single-minded pursuit of multiculturalism has led to a situation that has blown up in our faces - a view that is not the sole preserve of 'right-wingers'. Being 'anti-discrimination' is not necessarily always a good thing. Some consider it discrimination to have honour-killings and polygamy outlawed in the UK, and preventing the execution of blasphemers and satanic cartoonists could be construed as a form of discrimination, too. Is discriminating against such practices a bad thing?
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Hambag
Barsoom
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Posted - 06/11/2007 : 07:28:39
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Originally posted by Borninhove
hambagquote:
That's just bent. You only need one once of intelligence to see that.
Thanks for the link to wikipedia for a definition of Strawman. And there was me thinking you were talking about the Wizard of Oz. How would I ever have known without wikipedia? I guess my less than one once of intelligence let me down there.
The cartoon is suggesting that the single-minded pursuit of multiculturalism has led to a situation that has blown up in our faces - a view that is not the sole preserve of 'right-wingers'. Being 'anti-discrimination' is not necessarily always a good thing. Some consider it discrimination to have honour-killings and polygamy outlawed in the UK, and preventing the execution of blasphemers and satanic cartoonists could be construed as a form of discrimination, too. Is discriminating against such practices a bad thing?
Ah Mr. Some. Him again. He's responsible for a lot of things. Shame I can't quantify what he's done... or who he is for that matter. Some probably know I imagine.
Some think having sex with a horse is a great idea. Case in point, the recent Argus story. I am glad these Some aren't to be confused with Many or that bad ass, Most.
Some confuse anti-discrimination with anything-goes rivers-of-blood. I'm glad that Some or Someone probably isn't on this thread. They might try to devalue a valid point by emphatically pointing to a missing letter in some word.
I'm real happy I don't have to post a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word, in particular highlighting the "Generalization using weasel words" section, because I think you may have guessed that I'm not talking about "Wind in the Willows" either. |
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Borninhove
Calaspia
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Posted - 06/11/2007 : 07:40:51
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OK, you don't like the cartoon. We got it, already.
So, do you any positive suggestions on how to deal with the issue of this thread, or has the whole "Threat" thing been hugely overblown as a way of cowing the population into allowing the government to take away our basic freedoms?
Maybe this is what will happen next:
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Hambag
Barsoom
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Posted - 06/11/2007 : 10:00:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Borninhove
OK, you don't like the cartoon. We got it, already.
So, do you any positive suggestions on how to deal with the issue of this thread, or has the whole "Threat" thing been hugely overblown as a way of cowing the population into allowing the government to take away our basic freedoms?
Maybe this is what will happen next:
Positive suggestions, yes. Our illustrious leaders need to tackle global warming and the issue of dwindling resources and keep an eye on space, without this the future is bleak. If no concerted effort is made to dramatically change global consumption, war will result as the major powers assert their control over remaining reserves and as desert regions expand, so will armed conflict.
The threat of OBL's philosophical Iraq war energised views will be something people would long for compared to the hell that is to come, or to visit future generations.
The whole abstract noun "Threat" thing been hugely overblown, yes, completely. The major threats are global warming, dwindling resources and dinosaur killing asteroids, not a bunch of people with tea towels on their heads sitting in caves. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/11/2007 : 11:38:37
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| In other words, stop looking at what divides us ... theologies/cultures/historical grievances/language/nationality/skin colour/gender/sexual orientation etcetera ... but look instead of that which threatens us all regardless of what divides us. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Borninhove
Calaspia
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 08:01:26
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Sounds like you have already seen A Crude Awakening, Hambag. Was it any good, or was it an "Al Gore"-style film? (Long on hyperbole, convenient with the truth)
So, will the USA, Western Europe, India and China all come to blows over the dwindling world oil supply, I wonder, or will it continue to be 'business as usual'.
Ooops! Another 'right-wing' cartoon! Cue another burst of humourless outrage in 5...4...3...2...
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Daveb
Discworld
1895 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2007 : 16:45:05
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7088325.stm
Dr Bari thinks we can learn a lot from Islam, which I am sure we can.
I do have the opinion that Islam should also learn from Christianity.
It s hardly surprising that Muslims get a bad press when it does appear that the main threat does come from their groups.
So lets all stop picking on them and let them get on with their plans to turn the UK into an Islamic state. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2007 : 17:57:10
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Originally posted by Daveb
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7088325.stm
Dr Bari thinks we can learn a lot from Islam, which I am sure we can.
I do have the opinion that Islam should also learn from Christianity.
It s hardly surprising that Muslims get a bad press when it does appear that the main threat does come from their groups.
So lets all stop picking on them and let them get on with their plans to turn the UK into an Islamic state.
They say New Labour Policy
is picking on them.
Voting Corrupt New Labour Out
would help them.
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Daveb
Discworld
1895 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2007 : 18:04:30
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We are all seen as picking in them.
Strange how they are the ones doing the bombing!
Labour just happen to be the governing party.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/11/2007 : 18:08:51
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| Actually, they are not the only ones doing the bombing. The difference being that some have the 'sanctity' of politics behind them. Others still belong to minority groups governments are not that concerned about. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
Edited by - Miriam Binder on 10/11/2007 18:10:20 |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2007 : 18:09:54
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Strange - not to many
when you view how America Carpet Bombed Innocent Muslims in Iraq,
it all makes great sense.
Iraq was never a threat,
but they have a great deal of Oil. |
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Borninhove
Calaspia
934 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2007 : 02:49:47
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Originally posted by long time no see
Strange - not to many
when you view how America Carpet Bombed Innocent Muslims in Iraq,
it all makes great sense.
What came first, the US liberation of Iraq, or the Islamist attacks on Western targets? (Hint: It wasn't Iraq.)
All too convenient to blame all the ills of the world on ourselves. Much easier than bothering to study the forces and pathologies that are driving Islamist terror. So simple just to say EvilBushBlairBrownIt'sAllAboutOil and think that explains everything. |
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Daveb
Discworld
1895 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2007 : 06:54:34
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Silly me, how could I forget EvilBushBlairBrownIt'sAllAboutOil.
Even if Iraq had not been liberated from from an evil murdering tyrant the extremists would still be living amongst us, planning their murders. They always have been in one form or another.
All that has changed is their origin and cause.
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2007 : 07:09:38
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BornInHove
Saudi's did 9/11.
Again attacking Iraq (And Using Carpet Bombing on Innocents in Iraq)
had Nothing to do with those groups.
FACT. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5317 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2007 : 07:16:12
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We played Saddam while suited us to have a strong arm and iron glove there. We are doing much the same in Pakistan at the moment. We don't really care what the causes of stability are as long as stability is there. We started out in Iraq because we claimed there were weapons of mass distruction there, when we didn't find any it suddenly became human rights abuses and the drive for democracy ...
The fact remains that real lasting change can only come from within. We cannot force a 'foreign' system of government on any people. Look how up in arms certain elements of our society are at the mere thought that Sharia Law be introduced here in England. Ready to fight windmills at the drop of a hat.
Like it or not, the evolution of societies is processional. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5317 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2007 : 07:50:40
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Originally posted by long time no see
BornInHove
Saudi's did 9/11.
Again attacking Iraq (And Using Carpet Bombing on Innocents in Iraq)
had Nothing to do with those groups.
FACT.
9/11 had very little to do with the invasion of Iraq. It was used as an emotive "battlecry of the republic" if you like. Nothing more nothing less. To carry on holding to that old refrain is tantamount to sticking your head in the sand ostrich style. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Borninhove
Calaspia
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Posted - 11/11/2007 : 10:10:43
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This 'carpet bombing innocents in Iraq' that you seem so fond of at the moment, LTNS
Is this a FACT, or just another slogan you picked up somewhere in your cyberspace wanderings?
Unfortunately, it seems like the vast majority of innocent civilian casualties in Iraq
over the last four and a half years have not been caused by the US military.
FACT |
Valhalla, I am coming! |
Edited by - Borninhove on 11/11/2007 10:11:36 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5317 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2007 : 10:25:01
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Maybe it is time to bring this up again.
Iraqi body count! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Daveb
Discworld
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nightowl
Barsoom
249 Posts |
Posted - 19/12/2007 : 19:39:22
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At last Omar is free from tyranny, one can understand why theres so much hostility towards America and the UK when we commit such crimes against the human rights of the individual.
Lets hope in the future we do not sink so low in our fight against terrorism for thats why we have won nothing but lost greatly in our withdrawl from Iraq..... |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6445 Posts |
Posted - 20/12/2007 : 12:33:45
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Not sure if any are Free
Spain has taken one of them? |
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Threat Update