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Borninhove
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Posted - 23/05/2007 : 11:03:29
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Well, seeing the Gulf is only 70km wide at its mouth it is a bit difficult to enter the Gulf without being "off Iran's coast".
I doubt the Revolutionary Guard will be sending out any sailor-napping speedboats THIS time.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
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 Posted - 23/05/2007 : 11:10:08
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Originally posted by Borninhove
Well, seeing the Gulf is only 70km wide at its mouth it is a bit difficult to enter the Gulf without being "off Iran's coast".
I doubt the Revolutionary Guard will be sending out any sailor-napping speedboats THIS time.
No, I doubt it. After all the revolutionary guard wouldn't stand a chance and there is will be no kudos for Ahmaddinejad for getting himself trounced on the high seas. |
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Borninhove
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Posted - 24/05/2007 : 10:57:07
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| Mir so the saudis spread wahhabi islam and iran spreads sheah islam and they dont get on so well with each other? |
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Barsoom
USA
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 01:24:28
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Or, perhaps not...
BAGHDAD - The United States and Iran broke a 27-year diplomatic freeze Monday with a four-hour meeting about Iraqi security. The American envoy said there was broad policy agreement, but that Iran must stop arming and financing militants who are attacking U.S. and Iraqi forces.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070529/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_iran_talks |
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Borninhove
Discworld
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 05:10:00
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Not popular with all, these talks.
Can you feel the love in the room? |
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 12:18:32
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| There will never be peace between the west and Islamic nations, there maybe an uneasy truce, but eventually the religious differences will cause friction, more moderate Islamic countries will find it difficult to maintain relations with the west as the more extreme muslim groups exert pressure on the moderates, eventually Iraq will be western troops free but when that happens the extremists will start to exert their power and we will be back to square one, roll one Gulf war 3 because it is almost inevitable. |
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Borninhove
Discworld
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 14:07:56
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On the other hand ...
That is a fairly glum view to take of the future. The vast majority of people in Islamic nations, like people everywhere, just want to get on with their lives, raise kids, have a decent job and be left in peace. The fact that the ones who rant the loudest get all the media coverage doesn't mean that the rest of the population goes along with their insanities. With the spread of the Internet and the (at times tortuously slow) improvement in education and literacy in the region, people are being exposed to different ideas and different points of view and, with time, I believe they will turn their backs on the extremists and rabble-rousers.
Just have a look at some of the blogs coming out of this part of the world. There is hope. We are not necessarily all doomed to eternal conflict. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 14:29:13
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| We have a lot more in common with the average resident in Muslim nations then we would credit. The majority of people do indeed just want to live their lives. |
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 17:03:33
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Originally posted by Borninhove
On the other hand ...
That is a fairly glum view to take of the future. The vast majority of people in Islamic nations, like people everywhere, just want to get on with their lives, raise kids, have a decent job and be left in peace. The fact that the ones who rant the loudest get all the media coverage doesn't mean that the rest of the population goes along with their insanities. With the spread of the Internet and the (at times tortuously slow) improvement in education and literacy in the region, people are being exposed to different ideas and different points of view and, with time, I believe they will turn their backs on the extremists and rabble-rousers.
Just have a look at some of the blogs coming out of this part of the world. There is hope. We are not necessarily all doomed to eternal conflict.
If that were the case how is it that some muslim countries are imposing sharia law. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 17:12:43
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Originally posted by jodan
If that were the case how is it that some muslim countries are imposing sharia law.
Have you read the post Jodan? And I quote
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Originally posted by Borninhove
On the other hand ...
That is a fairly glum view to take of the future. The vast majority of people in Islamic nations, like people everywhere, just want to get on with their lives, raise kids, have a decent job and be left in peace. The fact that the ones who rant the loudest get all the media coverage doesn't mean that the rest of the population goes along with their insanities. With the spread of the Internet and the (at times tortuously slow) improvement in education and literacy in the region, people are being exposed to different ideas and different points of view and, with time, I believe they will turn their backs on the extremists and rabble-rousers.
Just have a look at some of the blogs coming out of this part of the world. There is hope. We are not necessarily all doomed to eternal conflict.
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 17:21:04
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 17:55:05
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Yes i did read it, did you read mine? countries are becoming increasingly more extreme in their interpretation of Islam, not less.
The extremism is indeed increasing in some countries, both Islamic and Christian extremism. Is that however cause or effect? Personally I think it is a bit of both and I think it is the vocal minority that is driving it rather then the silent majority. Which is exactly what BiH said in his post.
I suggest you spend some time looking at the increased resistance to the more extreme implementations. That is always a sign that people are starting to think for themselves. |
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 22:23:58
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| Can i suggest you think more about how Islamic countries deal with anyone who opposes the islamic view, these countries do not allow freedom in the way we do, dont kid yourself that a few free thinkers will change things, it aint Britain where we have freedom of speech. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 22:39:10
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Originally posted by jodan
Can i suggest you think more about how Islamic countries deal with anyone who opposes the islamic view, these countries do not allow freedom in the way we do, dont kid yourself that a few free thinkers will change things, it aint Britain where we have freedom of speech.
And have we always been that way? Have we not at times hounded those who did not subscribe to the same values/beliefs/customs? Was it really never here that people were burned at the stake for being heretics?
It all starts with a few free thinkers. |
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 22:40:54
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
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Posted - 29/05/2007 : 22:52:27
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Originally posted by jodan
But we never had the extremism of some Islamic countries.
Oh well, that's alright then. We never burned people at the stake, we never made people cover themselves from head to toe, we never stopped people from dressing in one way or another depending on their social/ethnic/gender status. We never tortured people, we never executed people publicly ... Glad to hear it.
(all those years studying social history, a total waste ... go figure) |
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Borninhove
Discworld
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Posted - 30/05/2007 : 04:40:36
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But that is the point. Every time another imam makes a hate-filled speech, every time a qadi in some sharia court makes an outrageous judgement, every time the religion is used to crack open the heads of women in Tehran, sentence to death the Christian convert in Afghanistan, blow up the Sunni/Shia mosque in Baghdad, burn down the embassy in Damascus - every time something like this happens it is recorded, uploaded and commented on in cyberspace. The bright light of scrutiny now shines into the darkest, most cobwebbed corners of the world and forces people to face up to what is being done in the name of their religion. And as much as groups like the MAB or CAIR or other Salafi mouthpieces squeal about this scrutiny being the spurious pseudo-offence of 'Islamophobia', the scrutiny will continue.
Yes, jodan, you are right about the current lack of freedom, but I have been working with young Arabians since 1994 and believe me, they are not all passive automotans following the party line without thinking. A social revolution has been slowly occuring here, and the two main causes of that are satellite television and the internet. You know what the most popular TV show is among my students? (Females aged 18-24) Oprah! It is broadcast every evening throughout the Gulf region with Arabic subtitles. Now you may not have watched Oprah, but she didn't become the USA's highest paid women for nothing. Change is happening. It may be slow, but the people living here are much, much better informed about the rest of the world than there were even 10 years ago and at heart they are pragmatists. |
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Posted - 30/05/2007 : 09:02:58
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
quote:
Originally posted by jodan
But we never had the extremism of some Islamic countries.
Oh well, that's alright then. We never burned people at the stake, we never made people cover themselves from head to toe, we never stopped people from dressing in one way or another depending on their social/ethnic/gender status. We never tortured people, we never executed people publicly ... Glad to hear it.
(all those years studying social history, a total waste ... go figure)
To compare Britain of the past with present day islamic extremism is ridiculous. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
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Posted - 30/05/2007 : 09:57:56
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Originally posted by jodan
To compare Britain of the past with present day islamic extremism is ridiculous.
I agree that it is ridiculous however to pretend that human right abuses, puritanism, intolerance, fundamentalism and extremism are the inventions of Islamists is equally absurd. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/05/2007 : 10:11:17
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Originally posted by jodan
But we never had the extremism of some Islamic countries.
Thats Right
Evil Bush started it all off,
after his Illegal Invasion. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
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Posted - 30/05/2007 : 10:20:31
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Originally posted by long time no see
Thats Right
Evil Bush started it all off,
after his Illegal Invasion.
Wrong LTNS ... history abounds with examples of extremism. |
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The Duke of Uranus
Barsoom
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Posted - 30/05/2007 : 10:35:46
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Thats Right
Evil Bush started it all off,
after his Illegal Invasion.
Disagree, osama and his cohorts were bombing american embassies and the world trade center long before bush came into power. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/05/2007 : 10:49:21
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Originally posted by The Duke of Uranus
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Thats Right
Evil Bush started it all off,
after his Illegal Invasion.
Disagree, osama and his cohorts were bombing american embassies and the world trade center long before bush came into power.
Yes the Americans blocked his Oil pipes
and the Arabs in Saudi got mad.
But Evil Bush did Not have to Invade Iraq
FACT. |
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Borninhove
Discworld
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Posted - 30/05/2007 : 11:09:35
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Aw, Duke, don't go spoiling it all with facts.
Meanwhile, in Canada, President Ahmadinejad's spiritual advisor, Ayatollah Muhammad Taqi Mesbah Yazdi, was booed off the stage by a group of Iranian- and Afghan-Canadians. at a meeting in Waterloo, Ontario. The local paper is fairly upset by the incident, saying it is against the principles of freedom of speech. However, the main booed off the stage is also know as Professor Crocodile for his harsh conservative views. Indeed, he recommends physical violence rather than a free exchange of ideas, famously saying: ""If someone tells you he has a new interpretation of Islam, sock him in the mouth." He also had the cartoonist who drew the cartoon below satirising him thrown in prison.
I wonder if Blair sometimes has daydreams of seeing Steve Bell in the Tower! And do the EvilBushClan have cartoonists or journalists who make fun of Dubya thrown in jail?
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Posted - 30/05/2007 : 16:29:34
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| Such anti-American feeling, yet without the Americans we wouldnt be experiencing the freedom we do now. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Borninhove
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Borninhove
Discworld
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Posted - 13/09/2007 : 10:42:04
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long time no see
Posted - 12/09/2007 : 18:51:04
The Iranian Leader
went on UK Ch4 News last time.
ITV UK asked what he thinks about American threats of Attacks,the Leader 'did not believe America.'
ITV UK asked "what does his General mean when he said we will break
America's Teeth"
the Leader said 'they will see.'
Of Course the BBC can not match ITV or Ch4
due to New Labour Guidelines.
Jon Snow (Ch4 News)is now Live In Tehran
for another Interview.
On Israel the Leader said it can be sort out by Humans,
like the Soviet Union did.
Again he said 'he does not fear America.'
Jon Snow asked about Iran and the people that Elected him.
The Leader said 'his nation is doing fine.'
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/live+from+tehran+iran+president+says+sorry+to+uk/794447
Tomorrow the Iranian Leader goes Live on a USA TV network.
I hope BornInHove in Saudi Edu can view it.
Sanctions will soon start,
Although Russia and China have
special deals with Iran,
that America will not know about.
Sign Of The Times.
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Edited by - long time no see on 13/09/2007 09:03:30
Borninhove
I read the transcript to the Jon Snow interview
Typical lying slimy politician
The guy's such a weasely liar I'm surprised his trousers didn't spontaneously combust
Miriam Binder
Posted - 13/09/2007 : 09:51:42
Well .... what an interesting exercise in slippery sliding ... any greasier and he would indeed spontaneously combust.
long time no see
Posted - 13/09/2007 : 09:57:08
Yes Like Blair and Bush.
Miriam Binder
Posted - 13/09/2007 : 10:19:54
Yes LTNS ... like Bush and Blair and a few others I can think of. So ... are we expected to go through the ganze megillah every time we remark on something? Or can you, just for a moment assume that we are all adults and fully aware of the fact that there are others that meet with the same criteria however as they are not the subject under discussion we will try and avoid 'muddying the waters' with inconsequentials.
I like to keep things tidy. Too many threads on the same subject and who knows where it will all end. |
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Ahmadinejad's Iran
