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Control Panel
Discworld
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 Posted - 27/10/2007 : 18:27:46
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Is there a bit missing from Miriam's post, or am I missing the point?
Can anybody name the 871 people? I doubt that Sir Michael Darrington is one of them. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6047 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2007 : 18:38:23
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| Oops sorry, don't know how that happened but for some reason my response never posted. Have corrected it now ... Thanks CP. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2007 : 20:09:18
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Nigel is talking about people Like Bill Gates,
Bankrupt Branson,
The Bosses Of Walmart, Tesco and McDonalds etc. |
Edited by - long time no see on 27/10/2007 20:22:18 |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2007 : 20:31:00
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I am not convinced that these so-called movers and shakers move and shake as much as they - and others - like to think. It gives them too much credence.
They wake up when they recognise a growing force created in all manner of small ways.
For example. Don't buy two packets of crisps a week and that is £50 a year. £500 over a decade - enough for a good holiday. Etc., etc.
When firms realise that they are losing that sort of money, they start to question their existence.
No more pasties! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2007 : 20:38:51
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The Big Bosses of the World
have the Power
more than Corrupt politicians.
They can set Standards.
Nigel is
Bang On Right |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2007 : 20:40:50
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posted by long time no see
quote:
Nigel is
Bang On Right
LTNS appears to be on first name terms with him. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2007 : 20:44:45
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Nigel Planner
is still working hard.
He is a clever man. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6047 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2007 : 21:56:53
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Originally posted by long time no see
The Big Bosses of the World
have the Power
more than Corrupt politicians.
They can set Standards.
Nigel is
Bang On Right
If these are indeed the men and women that Nigel is referring to ... and nothing so far has indicated that they are (a vague read something somewhere is anything but explicit) then his conclusion, to wit the fact that he as a consumer need do nothing, is even less understandable. People that run large profit making corporations are not going to be swayed by 'the-good-of-the-planet' argument but if they see that consumers will not accept consumables that squander scarce resources - through over-packaging for instance - or will refuse to purchase manufactured or harvested goods that rely on exploitative practises ... well, then you are hitting them where it hurts and they may have a rethink.
They are not going to set standards unless they are forced to do so.
So I would say Bang on Wrong! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
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Posted - 27/10/2007 : 21:58:09
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OK, Nigel Planer probably does have a point. LT cites the `big bosses of Tesco/Walmart etc. They`ve evidently taken notice of the Fair Trade lobby, as many FT products are now good sellers at these supermarkets.
This is healthy.
Next logical step is for `eco-nutters` placidly dumping all the excess packaging from their shopping at the store (customer services, preferably...) |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6047 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2007 : 22:10:30
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| Except that his point seems to be that we as consumers need do nothing. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 27/10/2007 : 22:18:50
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quote:
Originally posted by Fluffy Sheep
OK, Nigel Planer probably does have a point. LT cites the `big bosses of Tesco/Walmart etc. They`ve evidently taken notice of the Fair Trade lobby, as many FT products are now good sellers at these supermarkets.
This is healthy.
Next logical step is for `eco-nutters` placidly dumping all the excess packaging from their shopping at the store (customer services, preferably...)
And one of the richest - Bill Gates. |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2007 : 17:35:06
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quote:
Originally posted by Infinite Poppadum
Marks and Spencer will charge 5p for its plastic carrier-bags.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/nov/06/waste.recycling
Pathetic CEO
Headline Grabber he is.
M&S ,as You know, have the very worse non-green type
packing on their Food.
he has no Headlines on that MAJOR problem.
And he is Expanding Abroad again,
they failed on that, last time.
He could have spent that money on the best Eco Packing money
could buy.
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Daveb
Earthsea
2371 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2007 : 20:16:05
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This is just turrning the clock back twenty five years.
All supermarkets used to make a charge for carrier bags.
Deposits next? |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Borninhove
Discworld
1033 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2007 : 08:08:04
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| What about the bag ladies??? How on earth can you effectively shout incomprehensibly at passing traffic and scare little children when holding your worldly possesions if you can't use plastic bags? This is a disaster! |
 Valhalla, I am coming! |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1312 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2007 : 04:31:44
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Here is a report about the bags being banned in London. Looks more dynamic than the half-hearted Brighton Council effort.
But is it all just a sop? What about the other excess packaging? All those things in plastic trays...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2210012,00.html |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
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Posted - 13/11/2007 : 20:04:09
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This is good news indeed, Poppadum!
I`m pondering about WHY supermarkets use those large rigid plastic trays, especially for meat, when a vacuum sealed polythene wrapping would do so much better for carrying, fridge and freezer space at home, and less freezer burn risk.
I think it`s because they want to spread the meat out to make it look bigger and better... |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
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Posted - 14/11/2007 : 19:29:04
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Many reports today that the plastic bags will be banned in London.
How/when this works in practice not yet clear.
Let us hope it's a harbinger of trays etc being given the hoof. |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1312 Posts |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2007 : 12:30:33
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Take the bags away
But make sure you give paper bags or something to replace it.
That is common sense. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6047 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2007 : 12:48:11
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Originally posted by long time no see
Take the bags away
But make sure you give paper bags or something to replace it.
That is common sense.
What about people bringing their own bags? They want the shopping, let them provide the wherewithal to bring it home in. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2007 : 14:24:38
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Miriam
A worker in a Lunch break
would not have a bag, handy,
in general.
So Again
so long as the stores Replace it
with Paper Bags
no problem.
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1206 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2007 : 18:39:15
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| Why ever not? So many shopping bags fold up small, the black 49p ones from Tesco even have a little press stud to keep them folded - and would easily fit into a meduim-sized handbag or a man`s jacket/coat pocket. That`s like saying that lunch-break shoppers wouldn`t have their purses/wallets handy either. They WOULD if they were going to nip out shopping though, wouldn`t they? |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2007 : 18:43:57
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| Yes, those foldaway 49p bags are one of Tesco's more ingenious productions. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2007 : 19:13:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Fluffy Sheep
Why ever not? So many shopping bags fold up small, the black 49p ones from Tesco even have a little press stud to keep them folded - and would easily fit into a meduim-sized handbag or a man`s jacket/coat pocket. That`s like saying that lunch-break shoppers wouldn`t have their purses/wallets handy either. They WOULD if they were going to nip out shopping though, wouldn`t they?
If the Worker has a Bag - all is good.
But if the worker ,on a break, does not have a bag
the Store must supply a Paper Bag.
Simple. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6047 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2007 : 19:44:31
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Originally posted by long time no see
If the Worker has a Bag - all is good.
But if the worker ,on a break, does not have a bag
the Store must supply a Paper Bag.
Simple.
No must about it. Pure laziness. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2007 : 20:16:23
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Miriam
Workers have a Busy time
How dare you say Lazy.
This is Simple
A Paper Bag is not a problem,
if a Shop does not want to do that
the Worker with Cash can cross the Road to the Shop that gives a Paper Bag.
FACT. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2371 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2007 : 20:21:17
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Everyone must carry a bag these days for the good of the nation.
No Bag, No Sandwich.
There will be bag monitors to carry out random checks that you have your bag.
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We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2007 : 20:24:13
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quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
Everyone must carry a bag these days for the good of the nation.
No Bag, No Sandwich.
There will be bag monitors to carry out random checks that you have your bag.
No Problem
All Sandwiches are in Plastic.
Bag Monitors
never in a million years.
Random checks through a Chav's bag
you could do a Docu
on that old Dave. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6047 Posts |
Posted - 19/11/2007 : 20:39:58
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Originally posted by long time no see
No Problem
All Sandwiches are in Plastic.
Next to be targeted ...
Actually, not all sandwiches are in plastic. Only those pre-assembled sandwiches are. |
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No More Plastic bags