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 Posted - 05/06/2007 : 16:51:40
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Part of the article from Hollingdean News June 2007, sign by Jeane Lepper, local Councillor:
HOLLINGDEAN PHONE MAST PLANNING DECISION IMMINENT
Although Hutchinson Mobile 3G received no support from Hollingdean residents over their proposal to erect a 'phone mast on the small piece of land at the junction of The Crestway and Mountfields, they have decided to go ahead with a planning application. Letters of objection are needed if we are going to get this application turned down.
Letters should stress the adverse appearance of this mast and the unsuitability of the site for such a large structure.
Letters will be accepted by the committee up to the day of the meeting which will probably be at the beginning of June so please act fast. They should be addressed to Steve Lewis, Development Control, Hove Town Hall, Norton Road, Hove BN3 3BQ, quoting planning application number BH2007/01347 ... proposed installation of a radio base station comprising of a 12.5 metres high replica telegraph pole mast containing three 3G antennas, associated equipment cabinets and ancillery development.
Jeane is happy to provide residents with a copy of her letter of objection - we can phone her on 291169 or email Jeane.Lepper@brighton-hove.gov.uk
HN continues to receive deeply worrying information about the health effects of mobile phone masts, and WiFi networks, on a regular basis. If you are in any doubt about whether you have time to object to this proposal please visit www.matsanity.org
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Captain Hawkeye
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No Expert
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 18:39:59
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| I'll bet over 70% of objectors actually own a mobile. The masts are everywhere, get over it. |
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 18:49:22
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Originally posted by No Expert
I'll bet over 70% of objectors actually own a mobile. The masts are everywhere, get over it.
I'll bet that 100% of the non-objectors will oppose it, if located near their children schools or their homes. Especially now that there are enough evidences of health damage.
With mobile phone you always can choose to switch it off.
And I want to make clear that this specific phone mast is not near my children schools or my home.
Thanks Captain Hawkeye for the correction. |
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No Expert
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 20:16:12
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You missed my point re: owning a mobile. If you own one, then you're complicit in masts being put in places. Or is the mast you use on the moon?
And you never take your children to Brighton town centre? They're everywhere there. Hell, they're everywhere full stop. What's stopping 1 mast going to do? |
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Miriam Binder
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 20:48:06
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Originally posted by No Expert
You missed my point re: owning a mobile. If you own one, then you're complicit in masts being put in places. Or is the mast you use on the moon?
And you never take your children to Brighton town centre? They're everywhere there. Hell, they're everywhere full stop. What's stopping 1 mast going to do?
They will always miss that point No Expert. People want the convenience of airtravel but complain about living near a flightpath. They want the convenience of a train but complain about living near a railway line. A mobile phone but without the essential masts being put up. A shopping centre but no crowds. An urban lifestyle in a rural community with all the CO2 emissions occurring somewhere else with instant communication on the hoof but no radio-waves ... The moon on a stick, preferably chocolate coated. |
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Daveb
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 20:59:06
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I should not worry too much.
I give it a week in Hollingdean before it is torn down and all the bits sold off for scrap by the locals |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 21:04:33
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And you mine, the point re re: all tecnology should be throughly texted before going into market, especially when a risk of health.
It should be a review of all located masts, and remove the unnecessary ones and be caucious where to locate them.
I do have a mobile phone(it was a good present), fortunatly it's rare the time I need to use it, and perfectly can live without one, as most of the time is uncharged. I do accept that many people need one, but we should not put tecnology before people health.
There are satelites up there, why not in the moon.
I know, it seems like I wasting my time, but trying I hope to encourage others, and we are not going to leave it without a fight.
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 08:56:20
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Here is a copy of a letter that you can send as soon as possible:
(insert you address)
For the attn. of Steven Lewis
Planning Officer
Development Control
Brighton and Hove City Council
Hove Town Hall
Norton Road
Hove
BN3 3BQ
6th June 2007
Dear Mr Lewis
Planning Application BH/2007/01347-Telecommunications Apparatus,
Junction of The Crestway and Mountfields, Brighton
I am writing as a resident from Hollingdean to object to the above Planning Application.
The site at this junction is very small. It already has a bus stop, telephone kiosk and letter box on it. It is surrounded by houses some of them less than a few metres away from the proposed 12.5 high mast. It will be visually intrusive and totally out of keeping with this already densely built up area.
We also concerned by possible health risks of living so close to this mast. I know that this is not always a planning consideration, but the Stewart report does urge local authorities to exercise caution when considering such applications, especially if they are close to schools.
The proposed site is very close to Herford Junior School, The Cedar special school and almost next door to the Hollingdean Childrens Centre which caters for the under fives, and a playground.
I would urge the Planning Applications Sub Committee to refuse this application.
Yours sincerely |
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fartin1976
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 09:21:17
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| I wonder if Herford Junior School has a wireless network for its computers, I bet many of the local residential properties do? I wonder if any of the kids use Bluetooth on their mobiles, which their parents make them carry for safety reasons? |
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The Duke of Uranus
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 09:27:12
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I wonder if Herford Junior School has a wireless network for its computers, I bet many of the local residential properties do? I wonder if any of the kids use Bluetooth on their mobiles, which their parents make them carry for safety reasons?
You forgot cordless dect phones in the house, and all those pikey satellite dishes you see in Hollingdean. |
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fartin1976
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 Posted - 06/06/2007 : 09:38:37
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Originally posted by The Duke of Uranus
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I wonder if Herford Junior School has a wireless network for its computers, I bet many of the local residential properties do? I wonder if any of the kids use Bluetooth on their mobiles, which their parents make them carry for safety reasons?
You forgot cordless dect phones in the house, and all those pikey satellite dishes you see in Hollingdean.
Yeah, you are right.
I remember an expert a few back saying that the radiation produced by TV transmitters was as worrying as that produced by phone masts and in some cases stronger, such as the large masts at Crystal Palace, South London.
Anyway, everything gives you cancer. Christ, I read the other day that vitamin supplements increase the chances of men developing prostate cancer. I’ve had to throw my Berocca away and have had to suffer my hangovers instead.
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The Duke of Uranus
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 09:47:54
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I remember an expert a few back saying that the radiation produced by TV transmitters was as worrying as that produced by phone masts and in some cases stronger, such as the large masts at Crystal Palace, South London.
I think if any of these things were a serious health risk we would know about them by now. As it is, the one dose of radiation we exposed to on a daily basis that we can be 100% certain causes cancer is sunlight. Thats right folks, don't leave your house or you'll get cancer.
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I’ve had to throw my Berocca away and have had to suffer my hangovers instead.
Are you mad? Don't you know hangovers cause cancer?  |
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fartin1976
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 10:02:40
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I agree TDOU, even the link between high voltage power lines and leukaemia is a bit dubious and to think people have been living near power lines for at least 80 years now.
Oh well at least we'd be able to get a good singal on Orange from now on! :-) |
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No Expert
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 12:13:16
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| So we're al agreed then, this campaign is a pile of bollocks! |
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Miriam Binder
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 12:38:23
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fartin1976
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 12:44:43
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So we're al agreed then, this campaign is a pile of bollocks!
Ya.
I hope the council have a text vote. |
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 15:35:53
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| It would be interesting to know what rest of the 80+ members have to say about it, since you represent only a minority. Not that I was going to change my mind in that matter though. |
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Miriam Binder
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 15:42:16
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Originally posted by quest
It would be interesting to know what rest of the 80+ members have to say about it, since you represent only a minority. Not that I was going to change my mind in that matter though.
I do believe the reference was made with regards to the ones that have posted on the topic quest. |
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Horseman7
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 16:31:52
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Originally posted by quest
And you mine, the point re re: all tecnology should be throughly texted before going into market, especially when a risk of health.
Very appropriate that it should be texted.
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The Duke of Uranus
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 16:50:24
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It would be interesting to know what rest of the 80+ members have to say about it
It looks like they feel strongly enough about it to not bother posting on this thread. Colour them couldn't give a **** perhaps?
*sit's back and awaits hundreds of new logins to appear and register their disgust* |
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Martha Gunn
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 22:50:59
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Oh well at least we'd be able to get a good singal on Orange from now on! :-)
A good Orange signal? Don't be silly! |
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sully
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Posted - 07/06/2007 : 14:48:24
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Originally posted by quest
It would be interesting to know what rest of the 80+ members have to say about it, since you represent only a minority. Not that I was going to change my mind in that matter though.
As you're interested, I think your protest is a total waste of time.
Threads such as this have been on here before and I have made my thoughts known then. I felt it unnecessary to comment this time until you provoked me!
Business and most individuals rely on mobile phones nowadays. It is ridiculous to object to the masts being located where they are needed. |
Involved in Scouting?
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See www.downsman.com for details |
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Posted - 07/06/2007 : 21:36:26
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Mobile phones save lives.
We need more masts in remote areas.
How many of the kids have a mobile stuck to their ear for most of the day anyway? |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 13:14:40
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A small victory for some Hollingdean residents, for the moment.
As publish in Hollingdean News July 2007:
GOOD NEWS! PHONE MAST UPDATE
The planning application for the phone mast at the corner of The Crestway and Mountfields has been turned down. It did not even go the the planning commitee as officers had the power to refuse it outright. Officers acknowledged the amount of local opposition was important in making their decision. The company may appeal against this decision. A big thank you to all the people who wrote in objecting to it.
by Jeane Lepper
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Miriam Binder
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 14:04:06
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| And another victim to nimbyism and the inability to look beyond your own nose. |
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 14:27:41
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Miriam Binder
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 14:51:32
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Originally posted by quest
I'm sorry Miriam if you can not see beyong your own nose, and I have said before nimbyism doesn't exit in my dictionary, I see it does in yours. Lets just agree that we disagree.
Look sweetness, that you may have a problem with the English language is really not an issue. What is an issue is twisting what is being said. I, until my daughter got me one for my birthday a couple of weeks ago did not have a mobile phone. I didn't really want one. However I have been seeing a rise in the use of mobile phones as has just about anyone else who has cared to walk around with their eyes open and looking around them ... instead of just firmly fixed to the end of their facial protuberance.
Mobile phones, and sundry electronic paraphernalia that modern man seems to think essential to the running of his/her daily life are on the increase. They require the construction of mobile phone masts and other radio-wave producing constructions. These constructions will have to go somewhere as will things like sewage treatment plants, waste depots and all kinds of unpleasant things. That my dear is a fact of life as we know it.
Now it is all very well objecting to all these things and you are more then welcome to object to them to your little heart's content. But all that these constant crusades of objections will ultimately bring about it is that all these people that are currently relying on their mobile phones and suddenly find they cannot get a signal. They are trying to get rid of their sewage and find there is no where for it to go. They want to get rid of their refuse and other unwanted bits and pieces and there is no where to dispose of them.
We are going to lose our right to object and these things are going to be constructed willee nillee - which is something I certainly would not want to see. That my dearling, isn't nimbyism, or nasal gazing, that is pragmatic realism.
What we need to develop is a yimbism ... yes okay we need 'x' 'y' or 'z' ... now we know that there maybe a downside to having 'x' 'y' or 'z' in our vicinity, so ... what are you going to give us in return for agreeing to having 'x' 'y' or 'z' in our vicinity. |
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 15:42:25
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Miriam, I remind you that my name is quest.
LET'S AGREE THAT WE DISAGREE, I don't need to explain myself any further, if you want to know my opinions read my posts.
And stop to attacking people,... shoot the message and not the messanger ...
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