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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
 Posted - 19/07/2007 : 10:40:03
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So it turns out that Jacqui Smith has smoked weed as well. The current argument seems to be that skunk has got so much stronger that is quite true. I wish it was easier to get hold of some milder weed these days.
I think the solution might be to regulate the drug and start officially producing it. This would provide a bit of rural re-investment and also take the supply out of the hands of criminals that profit from the trade. The money could go to the treasury and it would be a good boost for the economy, It would also mean that the strength could be controlled like with spirits.
It seems like a perfect solution.
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 10:45:58
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No Un Elected PM Brown is going back
to the old ways.
As a sneaky PM he follows what other partys say.
She is weak and not up to her Job
That is why Un-Elected Brown picked her.
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Edited by - long time no see on 19/07/2007 10:47:08 |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5851 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 11:27:43
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| Ahem ... Moon, correct me if I am wrong but doesn't 'weed' as you so nicely put it, need to be (dare I say it) ... smoked? What about all those poor passive weed inhalers. People that are going to be sent sky high because some stinking rotten weed smoker insists on lighting up? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 11:33:56
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quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Ahem ... Moon, correct me if I am wrong but doesn't 'weed' as you so nicely put it, need to be (dare I say it) ... smoked? What about all those poor passive weed inhalers. People that are going to be sent sky high because some stinking rotten weed smoker insists on lighting up?
1. It can be turned into choclate bars or cakes
2. I think people have the right to smoke so long as they are not inflicting passive smoking on others who don't have a choice. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5851 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 11:39:30
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| Ah yes but not everyone has the skills to turn it into chocolate (shouldn't that be 'weed' bars) or cakes and what about obesity? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 11:43:23
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Originally posted by long time no see
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1275933,00.html
Violent Crime up.
Skunk is behind some of that.
Behind the rise? Can you prove this... or do you simply mean that some violent crime is related to skunk?
Some violent crime is related to most things e.g. Cars, Arguments, Drink, Poverty, Depression, Alienation, Social-divide, Poor Education, Absence Parents, Money ,lack of discpline in schools etc...etc..
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 11:45:50
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Ah yes but not everyone has the skills to turn it into chocolate (shouldn't that be 'weed' bars) or cakes and what about obesity?
Not everyone has the skills to make splifs either...
With regards to Obesity you can put it in a food processor and then into healthy bio-yoghurts altough I think we should all I respect the choice of the consumer to enjoy their weed bars reponsibly...
anyway mim I thought you hated the nanny state. |
Edited by - moon23 on 19/07/2007 11:53:00 |
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The Duke of Uranus
Barsoom
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Posted - 19/07/2007 : 12:40:07
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I think the solution might be to regulate the drug and start officially producing it.
As ever your moon centric view on everything never ceases to amuse me. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5851 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 12:44:46
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Originally posted by moon23
anyway mim I thought you hated the nanny state.
I hate over legislation and regulation Moon but I also find it very hard to understand how someone who is up in arms about passive smoking can take such a blaze attitude towards a drug that will be smoked. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 12:48:18
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Originally posted by The Duke of Uranus
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I think the solution might be to regulate the drug and start officially producing it.
As ever your moon centric view on everything never ceases to amuse me.
I'm Glad you are easily amused. However I'm pro the legalization of anything that dosn't hurt others. For instance I don't think people should be made to wear seatbelts or Crash helmets if they are stuipd and don't want to.
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 13:00:55
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by moon23
anyway mim I thought you hated the nanny state.
I hate over legislation and regulation Moon but I also find it very hard to understand how someone who is up in arms about passive smoking can take such a blaze attitude towards a drug that will be smoked.
Well then your being dumb and confusing the issues becuase nowhere did I advocate smoking cannabis in public places. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5851 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 13:03:04
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Originally posted by moon23
Well then your being dumb and confusing the issues becuase nowhere did I advocate smoking cannabis in public places.
Perhaps Moon, then again ... you were all for the smoking ban were you not? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 13:25:18
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by moon23
Well then your being dumb and confusing the issues becuase nowhere did I advocate smoking cannabis in public places.
Perhaps Moon, then again ... you were all for the smoking ban were you not?
Yes i'm for the current ban IN ENCLOSED PUBLIC PLACES and have been enjoying pub much more now it's not smokey .. As i've allredy mentioned however i'd be opposed to a ban outside, or in the privacy of ones own home as I think people have a right to smoke if they want to.. just not when they force their smoke on others.
Obviously I would apply the same princible to smoking cannabis.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5851 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 13:53:14
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Start banning one and next you know more will be banned. I am against all bans enforced on dubious 'moral' high grounds. Like it or not there is such a thing as 'thin end of the wedge'
One of the most immoral consequences of political apathy is that you have spendthrifts that waste resources, class warriors that break up unity, separatists that divide geographically, lobbies and pressure groups that cajole, corrupt or intimidate government, political parties that undo and undermine each other and in many cases themselves purely in an attempt to appear to be doing something.
Those are all the consequences of democracy as practised in Britain for instance since the last world war and the cause for us being in this mess we are in, including this illicit war, the stupid ban against smoking, the quangos and numerous other costly, deficient and senseless exercises for the sake of it.
Calling for bans or legalisation are further contributing to this top heavy form of governmental democracy in nothing but name. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
Edited by - Miriam Binder on 19/07/2007 18:28:19 |
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The Duke of Uranus
Barsoom
294 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 14:25:24
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I'm Glad you are easily amused.
I'd have to be given the content of your posts. |
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Tombstone Blues
Earthsea
2183 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 18:25:12
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Originally posted by long time no see
No Un Elected PM Brown is going back
to the old ways.
As a sneaky PM he follows what other partys say.
She is weak and not up to her Job
That is why Un-Elected Brown picked her.
LTNS, if you'd been around in 1940, would you be going on about 'unelected' Winston Churchill? |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 18:32:45
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Originally posted by moon23
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by moon23
Well then your being dumb and confusing the issues becuase nowhere did I advocate smoking cannabis in public places.
Perhaps Moon, then again ... you were all for the smoking ban were you not?
Yes i'm for the current ban IN ENCLOSED PUBLIC PLACES and have been enjoying pub much more now it's not smokey .. As i've allredy mentioned however i'd be opposed to a ban outside, or in the privacy of ones own home as I think people have a right to smoke if they want to.. just not when they force their smoke on others.
Obviously I would apply the same princible to smoking cannabis.
BAN ALCOHOL while we are at it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=469345&in_page_id=1770 |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 19:10:01
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Originally posted by Tombstone Blues
LTNS, if you'd been around in 1940, would you be going on about 'unelected' Winston Churchill?
You must be Joking.
They were the 2nd World War years,
what a mess before Churchill. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5851 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 19:22:20
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| But he wasn't elected was he? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 19:36:14
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
But he wasn't elected was he?
Miriam
Those 2nd World War Years
can not be compared with the Utter Corruption of
the Blair-Brown 10 years.
FACT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill |
Edited by - long time no see on 19/07/2007 19:42:33 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5851 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 19:58:44
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| But was Churchill elected or not LTNS? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2259 Posts |
Posted - 19/07/2007 : 20:18:34
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Not to mention smoking in public places.
Never in the field of human conflict
Has so many been smoked by so few .....or the one |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
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Posted - 19/07/2007 : 22:34:37
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Sorry, folks, but I do see a little sense in Moon`s argument here. I can`t really see it`s about to happen, but, cannabis does have a positive side for some people, (eg Multiple Sclerosis patients.) It also has a well-researched and proven ADVERSE effect on folks with an underlying clinical psychosis. (In layman`s terms, if your head is screwed, this really isn`t going to help even if it feels like it does!)
So, you can say the same thing about quite a lot of prescription drugs too, pills that are dished out for chronic pain, or for crippling anxiety or deep soul-numbing depression. But at least with those, there`s some feedback, and so we KNOW about the side-effects.
There`s Alcohol, used and abused by folks because the Drugs Don`t Work, but it`s Legal and `socially acceptable`. It`s NOT controlled, it`s not treated as a Drug.
Cannabis Legalised - it`d go one of 2 ways. Either like alcohol and tobacco, or like a prescription drug. I think there`s a place for the latter option. |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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FUBAR
Barsoom
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Posted - 20/07/2007 : 14:59:57
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So what would be the legal limit for driving then? Just what we need on the road some giggling puff head doing 5 mph looking for the nearest allnight take away .......... |
I came into the world with nothing and still have most of it left.. |
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FLAME
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 20/07/2007 : 16:55:14
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It's the same old debate isn't it?
I'm a cannabis user, though these days much more infrequently as it's quite frankly boring being stoned all of the time and I have a life to be getting on with.
I agree in principal that cannabis should be legalised, but I unfortunately have no suggestions on how this could be done effectively and safely without it leading more widespread use and I think this really is the sticking point. Therefore, my current opinion is that it should remain illegal for the time being.
They are looking to reclassify back to a class B, which to me makes no sense when that classification is used as a catch all for all types of cannabis. Skunk is WAY too strong these day's to the point of being hallucinogenic and quite frankly too much of a head f*ck. I have certainly felt myself going a bit mad from smoking too much of it ie. petrifying paranoia where the slightest sound outside is a burglar and before know it your standing in the garden shaking in your pants brandishing a kitchen knife. NOT a sane response, I'm sure you'll agree and YES this was a direct result of smoking too much strong skunk. But that's just me, not everyone has the same response.
They really need to classify different strengths and scales of cannabis accordingly, surely? |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 20/07/2007 : 17:03:36
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Originally posted by FLAME
It's the same old debate isn't it?
I'm a cannabis user, though these days much more infrequently as it's quite frankly boring being stoned all of the time and I have a life to be getting on with.
I agree in principal that cannabis should be legalised, but I unfortunately have no suggestions on how this could be done effectively and safely without it leading more widespread use and I think this really is the sticking point. Therefore, my current opinion is that it should remain illegal for the time being.
They are looking to reclassify back to a class B, which to me makes no sense when that classification is used as a catch all for all types of cannabis. Skunk is WAY too strong these day's to the point of being hallucinogenic and quite frankly too much of a head f*ck. I have certainly felt myself going a bit mad from smoking too much of it ie. petrifying paranoia where the slightest sound outside is a burglar and before know it your standing in the garden shaking in your pants brandishing a kitchen knife. NOT a sane response, I'm sure you'll agree and YES this was a direct result of smoking too much strong skunk. But that's just me, not everyone has the same response.
They really need to classify different strengths and scales of cannabis accordingly, surely?
Yes that is the point, becuase it is illegal then it means that very strong strains like skunk arise. Which is too strong for me who is now like youself only an occasional user. I get too forgetfull if I smoke it all the time and this frustrates me making me more stressed!
It is like people making illegal moonshine in Russia and then going blind becuase it is too strong.
If it was made illegal then the strength could be controlled like with Alchol. It might lead to an increase of use, but a decrease of harm caused.
For instance I first discoved harder drugs at the dealer I went to get my weed from. I'm sure many kids get exposed to all sorts of more dangerous drugs in this way. If it was legal then less teenages would get exposed to other drugs.
I don't think there would be any safe level of smoking and driving. |
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FLAME
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/07/2007 : 17:42:25
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Some smokers will still want to obtain high strength skunk strains, legally or otherwise, if it is legalised I suspect.
Skunk can be very addictive, which leads me to me to believe it is spiked with something else?
It wouldn't surprise me if this was found to be the case at some point. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
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Posted - 20/07/2007 : 18:57:28
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There are some good points for legalising and "grading" strength.
I think there are some good reasons for medicinal use and it is no more dangerous than alcohol. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5851 Posts |
Posted - 20/07/2007 : 20:09:08
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| I agree that there is a case for 'medicinal' licensing. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 24/07/2007 : 10:18:07
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Originally posted by FLAME
Some smokers will still want to obtain high strength skunk strains, legally or otherwise, if it is legalised I suspect.
Skunk can be very addictive, which leads me to me to believe it is spiked with something else?
It wouldn't surprise me if this was found to be the case at some point.
I think it's just because it has a bigger effect on your dopamine receptors and things like that. After a while your brain stops appreciating the subtle nuisances of pleasure that an life of abstaining offers and focuses on smoking weed as the main source of pleasure.
People then become fixated on one source of pleasure. The same behavior pattern of addiction can be found in Food, Smoking, Drinking, Exercise, Sex etc..
More often than not though people who smoke really strong skunk all the time do so because they are trying to block something else our or they are suffering from stress. If you want people to take less drugs in general (including alcohol) then you have to look at things like the long work hours culture we have in this country..
I mean work a 45hr week and commute to work everyday and it's enough to make anyone want to obliterate some brain cells at the end of the week!
I think the relaxed culture is one reason why there is a less of a binge drinking culture in Mediterranean countries. They simply don’t have to get as drunk or out of their head in order to relax because they don’t work as long hours,
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Legalzie and controll cannabis.