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Nigel Furness
Alagaësía
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 Posted - 21/04/2007 : 19:27:18
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It is a very bad show by the Argus not to mention Brian Ralfe in its account of the Brunswick ward this Election.
I have had several different leaflets through my door by candidate Ralfe, and he has certainly stirred things up round here. He is everywhere, and is always happy to meet residents.
He works very hard at it, and if all that effort only brings a snub from the Argus then is it any wonder that people feel disengaged by the political process? |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1213 Posts |
Posted - 21/04/2007 : 22:01:17
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Sounds as if Brian Ralfe has the right spirit.
Not fazed by the appalling Argus snub but gets out things that people read.
Good luck to him.
He could surprise the politicians and the Argus. After all, it only takes somebody to inspire those who do not usually vote and all
the Argus's reliance upon old numbers is confounded. |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 21/04/2007 : 23:04:18
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| The Argus is the local newspaper in Brighton & Hove. Its reporting of local council matters is pathetic and possibly misleading to those who are not well informed but think the Argus is informative. |
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flaming pie
Alagaësía
90 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2007 : 06:49:01
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There don't seem to be any posters in gardens and windows. Are they just late, is it apathy, or have they become a victim of cost cutting political parties?
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
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Nigel Furness
Alagaësía
9 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2007 : 11:19:36
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posted by flaming pie quote:
There don't seem to be any posters in gardens and windows. Are they just late, is it apathy, or have they become a victim of cost cutting political parties?
Brian Ralfe has posters in windows - including shops - in Brunswick.
I hear that one resident was so annoyed by Paul Elgood's manner on the doorstep that he has put up a Ralfe poster! |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1292 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2007 : 12:13:13
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| The Conservatives are making an effort here in Portslade, and there is also a Green presence. I should not be surprised if there are councillors from two parties voted in. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1213 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2007 : 22:38:06
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It is proving to be not so much a low-key Election as a quietly seething one, and there could be quite a few surprises come the Count.
The Greens are vexed that there is a Dump the Dump candidate in St Peters. Joyce Edmond-Smith is giving it some welly in Hanover. There are a lot of Green stickers up in all parts of Queen's Park. Also in Queen's Park the Conservatives are not pushing it other than to give out a leaflet which tacitly encourages people to vote Green. And there is great disgust among the LibDem rank and file at the way in which they have been let down by Elgood and Watkins in general and the King Alfred in particular. Brian Ralfe is definitely having an effect in Brunswick despite the Argus's snubbing him.
Goldsmid remains the most tantalising. Expect recounts there.
Indeed there could be quite a few recounts, plus the problem with the postal-vote software. The various types of Independent candidate are onto something, they will have an effect, but exactly what cannot be predicted. This makes it a very interesting Election, more so than it might appear. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1213 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2007 : 23:16:44
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Most peculiar. Labour claims that it will "bring back a regular citywide newsletter to keep you in touch with improvements in council services and how to get involved with your neighbourhood".
So why did it stop City News?
And, of course "improvements in council services" means that any such publication would only be a propaganda sheet and not one that admitted to shortcomings.
It is very strange that Bodfish, Burgess and Delia Forester do not mention the King Alfred in their leaflet. Do they know something that Mr Karis would rather not hear? Quite probably. |
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Pelagia
Barsoom
479 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2007 : 23:55:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Nigel Furness
posted by flaming pie quote:
There don't seem to be any posters in gardens and windows. Are they just late, is it apathy, or have they become a victim of cost cutting political parties?
Brian Ralfe has posters in windows - including shops - in Brunswick.
I hear that one resident was so annoyed by Paul Elgood's manner on the doorstep that he has put up a Ralfe poster!
Well done that man  |
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flaming pie
Alagaësía
90 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2007 : 11:04:41
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80% turnout in the French presidential elections - we should be so lucky!
Any bets on 25% across Brighton and Hove (and Portslade of course)
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/04/2007 : 11:14:32
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quote:
Originally posted by flaming pie
80% turnout in the French presidential elections - we should be so lucky!
Any bets on 25% across Brighton and Hove (and Portslade of course)
Oh, I'll match your 25% and go another 3%  |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2007 : 13:10:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Pelagia
quote:
Originally posted by Nigel Furness
posted by flaming pie quote:
There don't seem to be any posters in gardens and windows. Are they just late, is it apathy, or have they become a victim of cost cutting political parties?
Brian Ralfe has posters in windows - including shops - in Brunswick.
I hear that one resident was so annoyed by Paul Elgood's manner on the doorstep that he has put up a Ralfe poster!
Well done that man
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Easy 10
Alagaësía
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Posted - 23/04/2007 : 14:23:39
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quote:
Originally posted by flaming pie
There don't seem to be any posters in gardens and windows. Are they just late, is it apathy, or have they become a victim of cost cutting political parties?
Never quite understood the POINT of those posters in the windows anyway. I'm not going to walk past a house that has a bright red piece of card with "VOTE BRETT BIGWIG" on it and think to myself "Hmmm, yes, I think I will then", now am I. |
"But you accept that there is an increased risk of vehicle/bat collision" |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5821 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2007 : 14:40:09
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I reckon it has more to do with the ego stroking of the various candidates.
"I saw 12 posters with my name on in one street"
"Well, I saw 13 with mine so nah nah nana nah!" |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Denise
Barsoom
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Posted - 23/04/2007 : 14:41:27
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Originally posted by Easy 10
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Never quite understood the POINT of those posters in the windows anyway. I'm not going to walk past a house that has a bright red piece of card with "VOTE BRETT BIGWIG" on it and think to myself "Hmmm, yes, I think I will then", now am I.
Funny you should say that.
For years, come election time, I used to spend whole days getting people to put Tory posters up. I'm sure they didn't make any real difference (perhaps reminded people of the candidate's name, at best).
Mostly, though, they tell canvassers "I'm already voting for your splendid man" or "Don't call here you flea-ridden Labour..." (Sorry - the good old days came to mind.)
They can also make a small party seem to have a larger presence than it really does. The Lib-Dems get posters up like nobody else! |
Voice of Reason / Norfolk Unity |
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Easy 10
Alagaësía
69 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2007 : 15:02:47
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Ahh, interesting Denise, thanks for that.
I may have to invest in one then, if only to stop canvassers annoying me at my doorstep. I'm running rather low on pepper spray as it is. |
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flaming pie
Alagaësía
90 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2007 : 17:35:16
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Originally posted by Easy 10
[quote][i]Never quite understood the POINT of those posters in the windows anyway. I'm not going to walk past a house that has a bright red piece of card with "VOTE BRETT BIGWIG" on it and think to myself "Hmmm, yes, I think I will then", now am I.
Easy10, I've checked, and there is no-one standing by the name of Brett Bigwig, so don't bother trying to find their name on the ballot paper.
I think in the past, the number of window posters was an indication of the level of support (not too scientific) |
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caeos
Barsoom
148 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2007 : 23:47:11
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has anyone else been peeved by the latest election gumph that has come through their door with two names on the letter (to save paper?) when the people either dont live here anymore and they got the names of serveal "together" couples mixed up with other couples.
the local match making service courtesy of your local "x" candidate |
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Denise
Barsoom
129 Posts |
Posted - 24/04/2007 : 10:07:13
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Originally posted by caeos
has anyone else been peeved by the latest election gumph that has come through their door with two names on the letter (to save paper?) when the people either dont live here anymore and they got the names of serveal "together" couples mixed up with other couples.
the local match making service courtesy of your local "x" candidate
If that's the case, caeos, you might like to pop down to your town hall or local library to check the election registers. That's what the party workers addressing the envelopes will have used - but, believe me, after addressing your hundredth envelope you do begin to make mistakes. |
Voice of Reason / Norfolk Unity |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1213 Posts |
Posted - 24/04/2007 : 11:01:56
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The Sunday Tiems reports that electoral registers are as much as 60% inaccurate.
Why is this?
It should simply be the case that if the registration form is not returned each year, the names are cut off.
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Nigel Furness
Alagaësía
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Posted - 24/04/2007 : 11:59:37
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The effect of Brian Ralfe in Brunswick is increasingly interesting.
I gather that Labour's fixer, Brian Fitch tried to persuade him earlier on to stand in Goldsmid instead as Paul Elgood was upset by another rival in Brunswick.
Good for Brian Ralfe, he was not having any of that, stood his ground and has brought colour to events here. This is what local democracy needs. |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
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Posted - 24/04/2007 : 12:06:26
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posted by flaming pie quote:
I've checked, and there is no-one standing by the name of Brett Bigwig
Isn't Easy 10 alluding to the name by which Ken Bodfish is familiarly known among Labour Party members? "I've got to go out and deliver these leaflets for Brett Bigwig!" |
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Control Panel
Discworld
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/04/2007 : 09:58:07
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I put this on the national news forum but I suppose it is appropriate here too
Poor Britannia |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Pelagia
Barsoom
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Posted - 25/04/2007 : 10:11:33
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| Could someone enlighten me to why Fitch and Elgood are so cosy? I am beginning to find local politics as complex and back-stabbing as national. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
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Posted - 25/04/2007 : 10:29:22
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Brian Fitch is Labour's Whip, the man with the little black book who goes about gathering info.
Exactly what he has "on" Elgood has often been a matter of speculation, so it is interesting to learn that he tried to persuade Brian Ralfe not to stand in Brunswick as Elgood was upset by this.
It would be a very good thing all round if Brian Fitch did not get back in. Gill Mitchell acknowledges that many Labour members would be the first to cheer. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
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Posted - 25/04/2007 : 11:18:41
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It is being said in Brunswick that, whatever the result there, the LibDems have lost.
Even if they get back in, they are down to two Councillors, and so they will not have a place on the Committees. That means they cannot be leant on to vote with Labour as there will be no voting involved for the LibDem rump except for the gesture politics of the Full Council. (They will have no place on the crucial Policy and Resources.)
It makes more sense for Brunswick residents to vote either for the Conservatives or Brian Ralfe, and so, with the LibDems taking a terrible bruising in a patch they have presumed to think their own, members will take steps to replace Elgood and Watkins with more credible and considerably more dynamic figures.
As things stand, the LibDems, by their toadying to Labour, are currently an extinct party in Hove. |
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A Gold
Alagaësía
60 Posts |
Posted - 25/04/2007 : 14:30:43
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I hope some of you in the Lewes area will find it in your hearts to vote for the Seagull Party.
They have 4 people standing. They wont of course have a majority on the council but rest assured, they will be a breath of fresh air blowing through that particular cosy club |
Boycott Forfars & The Goldstone Retail Park,
GAGGED & BANNED
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Easy 10
Alagaësía
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Posted - 25/04/2007 : 15:06:47
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I hope the Lib Dems get absolutely stuffed out of sight.
Their LibDem Council voted behind closed doors to continue the vicious campaign against the Albion's stadium plans, regardless of the costs to their taxpaying constituents (how very "democratic" that was of the LibDems eh). They have employed disgraceful delaying tactics every step of the way to drag it through two public Enquiries and (almost) to the High Court, which they pulled out of in the eleventh hour having known that court date for six months. They have the bare-faced, outright hypocrisy to oppose the plans on the grounds that Falmer was declared an "AONB" 40-odd years ago (prior to a dual carriageway and two universities being built there), but in the same breath they sing the praises of a nature reserve at Sheepcote or another AONB at Toads Hole Valley as a preferable alternative. They have produced misleading and deceitful propaganda leaflets presenting photographs of Ditchling Beacon amongst their anti-Falmer literature. In their submissions to the Government, they have asked their own traffic and travel consultants to play down the evidence of the huge traffic problems that would occur if the stadium was at Sheepcote. In short, they have played every dirty trick in the book to derail the plans, despite the fact that the stadium isn't even in their district (its only actually the coach park that encroaches on the border of LDC's territory).
I hope the constituents of Lewes consider the way LDC have conducted themselves, then do the right thing and vote this lot OUT. Seagull Party RULES
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May local elections