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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 29/04/2007 : 11:11:40
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
By the looks of things we will have quite some fresh blood to rip into post May 3rd.
I hadn't spotted the local Vampire Society
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6047 Posts |
 Posted - 29/04/2007 : 11:22:41
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(I suppose I asked for that) ... Yes, I know ... we are difficult to spot having a tendency to come out only on moonless nights and dressed all in black  |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Perfidia
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
41 Posts |
Posted - 29/04/2007 : 22:53:25
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| Can you be an "official" Independent? Not that I'm knocking them, I hasten to add but I wasn't aware that you could have a monopoly on independence. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6047 Posts |
Posted - 29/04/2007 : 23:15:07
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| Why not ... after all it has been proven that you can be a neo-con labourite. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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flaming pie
Alagaësía
91 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 10:00:56
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So far, I've had election material from the labour candidates, and the PVP - not a thing from the Greens or
Tories in Wish. Does this mean that they are confident of winning, over complacent, or that they haven't got anyone to deliver leaflets? |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 10:10:58
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Originally posted by Perfidia
Can you be an "official" Independent? Not that I'm knocking them, I hasten to add but I wasn't aware that you could have a monopoly on independence.
One 'Independent' party is officially registered. Their website is :
http://www.bhindependents.org.uk/
Registration
http://tinyurl.com/23ax6n
However on their website Goldsmid is conspicuous by its absence. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 10:41:33
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Yes, these candidates with the yellow leaflet are independents and not part of that Independent party, so I think official means real.
And in fact there are far more of these real independent candidates, such as the yellow leaflet ones, than there are the few candidates put up by the Independent party.
It is in the nature, I should have thought, of real independents not to be in a party. |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 10:50:31
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| Has anyone come across the view that many Councillors are not educated enough and not up to the demands of the job ? What about all those candidates on the ballot paper ? Have they taken a literacy or capability test ? |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 11:34:57
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| Apparently there is a mad document circulating among councillors along those lines. |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 11:49:45
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Originally posted by Captain Hawkeye
Has anyone come across the view that many Councillors are not educated enough and not up to the demands of the job ? What about all those candidates on the ballot paper ? Have they taken a literacy or capability test ?
What are you suggesting, that they all should be middle class educated professionals ? thats happened for decades in national and local government and look at the state of things now,
No, good old wise common sense is what we need now in our leaders, not political and social theory experiments that fall flat on there face costing the tax payer millions..........
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 13:02:51
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Originally posted by Control Panel
Apparently there is a mad document circulating among councillors along those lines.
Something from Kings House ? |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1312 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 14:46:28
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The Greens have missed a trick by not pointing out that the LibDems have printed their Focus leaflet thing in... Kent.
That hardly suggests any commitment to the Brighton and Hove and Portslade economy by the LibDems.
Disaffected Portslade Labour votes will go to the Greens.
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Control Panel
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 15:04:44
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The LibDems are showing sheer brassneck by such behaviour.
Let us hope that the people of Kent put to good use the money they have taken off those strange souls who contribute to the LibDems' fundraising in Brighton and Hove. |
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Perfidia
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
41 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 15:12:39
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Originally posted by Control Panel
It is in the nature, I should have thought, of real independents not to be in a party.
Well that's what I've always assumed of independents. However, I can quite understand a collective of like-minded people getting together to share the costs of standing in elections but in recent years electoral law has toughened up in this respect. Thus you now have to be a member of a political party (even if this has "Independent" in its name) or an independent candidate standing in his/her own right. Either way, being part of any sort of formally registed collective structure is usually anathema to truly independent candidates. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 15:24:49
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And independent candidates who are not in a party are entitled to spend the full whack themselves on promotional stuff but those in a party are compromised.
Goldsmid looks very interesting with the three real independents and the two who are in an Independent party
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1312 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 15:31:42
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Apparently anybody who is anybody will be at the counting of the votes which is on Friday. Tickets are hard to come by, you have to be in the know, with candidates allowed very few guests.
Perhaps somebody can provide a live feed to the Forum to tell us how the votes are shaping up? |
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Anubis
Barsoom
325 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 17:15:19
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| Is the Lib-Dem/Kent connection related to the "return"(?) of the Barnard-Langston woman with her latest spouse? |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 17:33:05
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Quite a number of LibDems are helping other parties this time.
The Argus could write about this if it had a mind to do so. |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 18:04:01
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Originally posted by Anubis
Is the Lib-Dem/Kent connection related to the "return"(?) of the Barnard-Langston woman with her latest spouse?
Another one ? |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
 Posted - 30/04/2007 : 18:05:45
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Originally posted by Control Panel
And independent candidates who are not in a party are entitled to spend the full whack themselves on promotional stuff but those in a party are compromised.
Goldsmid looks very interesting with the three real independents and the two who are in an Independent party
Couldn't see any Goldsmid on the 'Independent' Party website posted above. |
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Perfidia
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
41 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 18:36:27
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Originally posted by Control Panel
And independent candidates who are not in a party are entitled to spend the full whack themselves on promotional stuff but those in a party are compromised.
That shouldn't be the case since each candidate has their own limit of allowable expenses based on a set sum plus so many pence per registered elector in their ward. You aren't permitted to add these allowable limits up and simply divide them by the total number of candidates that are standing for the same party either since expenses must be proportionate to the allowed limit.
However, you can get economies of scale on items like printing if working collectively |
Edited by - Perfidia on 30/04/2007 18:37:42 |
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Pogmothoin
Alagaësía
13 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2007 : 20:19:18
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Despite the lies and spin put out on the Council's official website all is NOT well with the Council and it is to be hoped that all new Councillors (when you can actually contact them) will have the interest and guts to do what they are paid for and work for the people they represent rather than simply being puppets manipulated by the senior officers etc, too many of whom are liars and incompetents.
The current elected members (amongst the highest paid in the country) are unable and unwilling to do anything much to control the disgraceful inept behaviour by these officers.
This is not an ill informed rant - read the documentary evidence in published reports of the Audit Commission and the Local Government Ombudsman. Bullying, delays, and inept unprofessional behaviour is all too common.
Lets hope that there will be a change - but somehow I fear little will change as its all to easy for Councillors to toe the line collect their fat allowances while exercising their little bit (and it is a VERY little bit) of power.
Vote - but vote for change, ask yourself:-
Have you contacted your Councillor and subsequently felt that you were fairly and competently treated?
Should there be an effective way of getting rid of lousy ineffective Councillors with the minimum of delay?
Someone mentioned Fitch! - ditch Fitch - allowances of over £20k and he is hardly ever around - when he is he is as much use as the proverbial chocolate teapot!. |
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Les Cargo
Alagaësía
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Posted - 01/05/2007 : 10:41:46
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Labour says that they are the only ones who can stop the Tories but without a Labour majority, I think that we have a real chance of a much more balanced and less corrupt council. I would agree that a Tory majority would be an unmitigated disaster, but probably not much worse than a Labour one. Basically, they are both as bad as each other. A more evenly-balanced, hung council would be better for everyone, unless you're a Labour (or Tory) councillor, of course.
The fact that the mainly New Labour (or should that be New Tory?) / Tory council have effectively put our much-needed Viaduct Road Area resident's parking scheme in St Peter's & North Laine off of the agenda indefinitely is enough alone to ensure that I won't be voting for either of them. Could it have anything to do with the fact that St Peter's & North Laine have voted overwhelmingly for Greens lately, putting three of the six Greens on the council?
Mmmmmm.... I wonder? I can imagine the blues and reds getting together (well it doesn't take MUCH imagination does it?) and sniggering away, saying 'Well the Green-voting hippies shouldn't even be owning cars, should they? Ha-ha!!'
I won't be bullied into voting Labour, or Tory, for that matter.
I think that we should give em BOTH a right good kicking in the ballot box, people!
In our ward, all political parties including the independents, but excluding the Greens (who are the incumbents btw), seem to have the idea that just pushing a leaflet full of propaganda through our letterboxes is enough to secure our votes.
On Sunday, a shadowy spectre appeared at our door, shoved a Labour leaflet thru and then disappeared into thin air. Didn't even knock. I suppose that they don't have the audacity to show their faces in an area where they've shown little interest, but quite a lot of contempt, eg lack of parking scheme, lack of interest in what locals think about Hollingdean Waste Transfer Depot, etc, etc.
Note to political parties: if you want to win votes you have to be prepared to talk on the doorstep. This might then give the impression that you actually give a toss. Seems like a schoolboy error to me - the First Rule of Electioneering, surely?
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Control Panel
Discworld
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6047 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2007 : 12:09:31
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Tombstone Blues
Earthsea
2239 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2007 : 21:07:35
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I can confidently predict that
a) we will have some new councillors, and
b) within a very short time people will be complaining about them just as much as they complained about the old ones. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2007 : 21:42:49
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More uproar in Labour circles with news from Hangleton that Brian Fitch has circulated a leaflet in Churchill House that if the
Tories get in, they will close it down.
The Matron has had to go round calming down the residents and telling them that this is not the case.
A story is going around that Anne Giebeler's party has run into a spot of legal trouble but further details are awaited. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6047 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2007 : 22:16:16
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Originally posted by Control Panel
More uproar in Labour circles with news from Hangleton that Brian Fitch has circulated a leaflet in Churchill House that if the
Tories get in, they will close it down.
Good grief, where did he get his electioneering top tips from ... the Blithering Neolithic Partisans? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Pogmothoin
Alagaësía
13 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2007 : 00:32:46
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| Well at least it's a refreshing change for him to actually be in the area (for all the use he is) |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1239 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2007 : 07:23:05
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| Word from the Tories is that they are outraged that Anne Giebeler's lot have been flyposting, which is illegal anyway and all the worse in an Election. |
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May local elections