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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
 Posted - 17/08/2007 : 19:12:19
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A Protester is Unglued
Then Taken away by Police. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/08/2007 : 17:15:58
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1280414,00.html
18,000 Police
for less than a 1000 protesters.
The Police keep them in one compact area like chickens,
some will be taken back to the Smelly Camp in the field.
What have they gained - Nothing.
Pathetic Un-Educated Students
make up the numbers. |
Edited by - long time no see on 19/08/2007 17:22:01 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 19/08/2007 : 17:21:56
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Originally posted by long time no see
Pathetic Un-Educated Students
Never mind LTNS ... Uni will start soon and then they'll be pathetic educated students. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/08/2007 : 17:43:29
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Todays schools are Un Educated for todays life.
Sign Of The Times. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2211 Posts |
Posted - 19/08/2007 : 19:55:13
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| Most of the protesters are flying out on their holidays after this so they can meet up with their mates who have been texting them. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/08/2007 : 21:06:28
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Originally posted by Daveb
Most of the protesters are flying out on their holidays after this so they can meet up with their mates who have been texting them.
Yes some will.
That is why it is a Joke. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/08/2007 : 23:04:25
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The Police out number them. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 08:42:19
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| What chance have our intrepid protesters. be they ever so willing to chain themselves to fences, super-glue themselves to revolving doors or police riot shields (see above image courtesy of LTNS) ... against the $10.- fare? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 10:05:19
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1280414,00.html
18,000 Police
for less than a 1000 protesters.
The Police keep them in one compact area like chickens,
some will be taken back to the Smelly Camp in the field.
What have they gained - Nothing.
Pathetic Un-Educated Students
make up the numbers.
Give them a break LTNS, they haven't had long to educate themselves.
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 10:15:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by moon23
A Protester has been arressted for failing to give his name under dracoian Sec 44 of the Terroism Act 2000.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/08/378547.html
Don't look now but you are starting to repeat yourself.
Nor have you stated why it is so inconceivable that someone going about their lawful business should find it so terrible to give their name to an officer of the law.
Someone who is on dubious moral/ethical grounds ... that I can understand but an individual who believes in the righteousness of his/her cause should be willing to stand up and be counted.
Oh right Mim, you mean if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear?
Before the Terrorism Act 2000 the police used to need reasonable suspicion to stop and search someone and ask them their details. Unless the police inform you that they are using the terrorism act then you don't necessarily have to give them your personal details.
Forward Intelligence Teams (FIT) uses the powers of stop and search to harass and intimidate protesters. This person was probably objecting about the shift in police powers which has now given them the right to stop and search who they choose and when.
They most likely object to living in a society where the police have a right to invade and abuse the privacy of an individual.
These are not terrorists, and the police are shamefully exploiting the terrorist threat to stamp down on protesters who are making a very valid point about airport expansion.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/08/2007 : 10:38:43
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Originally posted by moon23
Oh right Mim, you mean if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear?
No Moon ... I do not mean that at all. What I mean is what I stated. Namely that if you are sure of the righteousness of your cause then you should be willing to stand up and be counted. This refusal to stand up and be counted is reminiscent of those Islamist protesters who cover their faces as they chant 'Death to America! Death to Britain!' |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 11:54:51
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No need to shout Death to America
they will cause their very own Death.
Nuked. |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 11:56:34
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by moon23
Oh right Mim, you mean if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear?
No Moon ... I do not mean that at all. What I mean is what I stated. Namely that if you are sure of the righteousness of your cause then you should be willing to stand up and be counted. This refusal to stand up and be counted is reminiscent of those Islamist protesters who cover their faces as they chant 'Death to America! Death to Britain!'
They are not covering their faces and hiding (unlike some of the riot police who take of their numbers before hitting protesters).
They are nothing like these Islamic extremist who incite murder. Their banners are colorful and the protest is light-hearted. Typical that even you Mim are being sucked into the poor portrayal of these protesters by the gutter press.
If the police take your name on a protest then on it goes to their database of known activists. Before you know it you will have the FIT team waiting to take your photo and stalking you. This is a way in which the organizers of these protests are intimidated and the democratic right to protest is suppressed.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 12:03:10
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Originally posted by moon23
They are not covering their faces and hiding (unlike some of the riot police who take of their numbers before hitting protesters).
They are nothing like these Islamic extremist who incite murder. Their banners are colorful and the protest is light-hearted. Typical that even you Mim are being sucked into the poor portrayal of these protesters by the gutter press.
If the police take your name on a protest then on it goes to their database of known activists. Before you know it you will have the FIT team waiting to take your photo and stalking you. This is a way in which the organizers of these protests are intimidated and the democratic right to protest is suppressed.
Do learn to read Moon. I said reminiscent not similar. And I have always held that if you believe in your cause and the righteousness of your cause then you should be prepared to stand up and be counted. If you cannot do that, then maybe you should rethink your level of commitment. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 12:09:04
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Originally posted by moon23
If the police take your name on a protest then on it goes to their database of known activists. Before you know it you will have the FIT team waiting to take your photo and stalking you. This is a way in which the organizers of these protests are intimidated and the democratic right to protest is suppressed.
Poor little puppets ... they want it both ways do they? To protest and to be left alone? Sheesh almighty, whatever happened to the protesters of my day and age ... at least when we protested we had the guts to stand up and be counted ... we didn't fret and whine about people having our names and stats. We didn't whinge about some FIT team or other and when necessary we took our punishment on the chin.
Call themselves protesters? I reckon they are more likely a bunch of malcontents with nothing better to do for the summer. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 12:25:50
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by moon23
They are not covering their faces and hiding (unlike some of the riot police who take of their numbers before hitting protesters).
They are nothing like these Islamic extremist who incite murder. Their banners are colorful and the protest is light-hearted. Typical that even you Mim are being sucked into the poor portrayal of these protesters by the gutter press.
If the police take your name on a protest then on it goes to their database of known activists. Before you know it you will have the FIT team waiting to take your photo and stalking you. This is a way in which the organizers of these protests are intimidated and the democratic right to protest is suppressed.
Do learn to read Moon. I said reminiscent not similar. And I have always held that if you believe in your cause and the righteousness of your cause then you should be prepared to stand up and be counted. If you cannot do that, then maybe you should rethink your level of commitment.
Oh well please forgive me for thinking that if you find a particular thing reminiscent of another it is usually a way of implying their is a similarity between the two. There was me thinking you were just making an unsubstantial comparison.
Mim, just because you are exercising your right to protest it doesn’t mean that you should let the police search through all your private possessions and take down all your personal details.
In our day and age there is a huge amount of invasive surveillance of protesters. Those who do as you say and stand up and think they have nothing to hide are the ones that end up being bullied and followed around by the police. The police then see these people as organizers and agitators and they get the blame if anyone breaks the law.
The police then try and fit people up to various conspiracy charges, because they assume those people they know of by name are those that are the organizers. They then threaten them with charges to ensure they do not attend protests again. I'm sure they think they are stamping out 'extremist' and 'criminal' elements but they just catch the naive people who are prepared to 'stand up and be counted'.
If you still can't understand why someone may not want the FIT team snooping into their business whilst on a protest then you are being very naive about the behavior and intentions of the police force.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 12:32:06
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That's fine Moon ... but don't go whingeing because people are interested in who is protesting. You don't want to be counted then don't stand forth ... simple really.
Oh and by the way, it isn't my naivity dearling ... it could perhaps be your paranoia ... |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 12:41:09
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by moon23
If the police take your name on a protest then on it goes to their database of known activists. Before you know it you will have the FIT team waiting to take your photo and stalking you. This is a way in which the organizers of these protests are intimidated and the democratic right to protest is suppressed.
Poor little puppets ... they want it both ways do they? To protest and to be left alone? Sheesh almighty, whatever happened to the protesters of my day and age ... at least when we protested we had the guts to stand up and be counted ... we didn't fret and whine about people having our names and stats. We didn't whinge about some FIT team or other and when necessary we took our punishment on the chin.
Call themselves protesters? I reckon they are more likely a bunch of malcontents with nothing better to do for the summer.
Stand up and have a copper throttle you.
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 12:43:11
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MOON
this Nuke Station is on a terror hit list
these Punks are putting the UK at Risk by being there.
FACT.
Sign Of The Times. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 12:45:15
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Yesterday at Heathrow. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5815 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 12:46:04
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| Poor munchkin ... For Pete's sake Moon do you really think that protesting on this scale is childsplay? All we have is one instance photogrpahed, we know not what came before or after. As for throttling? Nah dear, that isn't throttling ... it isn't pleasant I'll grant you but it is far from throttling. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 12:47:34
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
That's fine Moon ... but don't go whingeing because people are interested in who is protesting. You don't want to be counted then don't stand forth ... simple really.
Oh and by the way, it isn't my naivity dearling ... it could perhaps be your paranoia ...
There is a differance about 'being counted' and having your life ruined by police bullying tactics.
Protesting is a democractic right so why should you accept being treated as a criminal or even worse a terroist? |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 13:08:07
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Poor munchkin ... For Pete's sake Moon do you really think that protesting on this scale is childsplay? All we have is one instance photogrpahed, we know not what came before or after. As for throttling? Nah dear, that isn't throttling ... it isn't pleasant I'll grant you but it is far from throttling.
Yes it's a still picture, so how do you know how much pressure he is applying or for how long he has been doing it?
Most likely he thought he needed a short sharp jab in the neck becuase he was being pushed from behind into a police line that was trying to contain the protest into a space far too small for everyone to fit.
Of course is it isn't child play mim, police violence and the surpression of free protest is a very serious matter
These people in the environmental movement are heros for standing up against climate change, despite their portray in the gutter press as criminals, soap dodgers etc. |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 13:27:16
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Originally posted by long time no see
MOON
this Nuke Station is on a terror hit list
these Punks are putting the UK at Risk by being there.
FACT.
Sign Of The Times.
What terroist hit list is this? Did you see one lying around?
The police presence around the protest means the Nuke plant is safer than it has been against attack
FACT |
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nightowl
Barsoom
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Posted - 20/08/2007 : 18:22:53
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Did all these protesters cycle there?
Think not, most are hypocrites when at home driving their 4x4s on the school run, flying abroad on their annual holidays.
Dish washers and the likes on the go all the time, there just wasters like all of us.....
No point in this protest, better they boycotted products and services that pollute if it worries them that much or would that be to high a penance to pay for their ideals? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 18:27:26
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They would do much better in China
getting run over by Tanks on Live Worldwide TV. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 20/08/2007 : 18:29:44
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Originally posted by moon23
What terroist hit list is this?
It is under High Security Risk
in the UK ,America and Russia. |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 21/08/2007 : 09:32:36
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Originally posted by nightowl
Did all these protesters cycle there?
Think not, most are hypocrites when at home driving their 4x4s on the school run, flying abroad on their annual holidays.
Dish washers and the likes on the go all the time, there just wasters like all of us.....
No point in this protest, better they boycotted products and services that pollute if it worries them that much or would that be to high a penance to pay for their ideals?
How do you know what they all do when they are at home? Just because some of then drove vans to setup the camp it doesn’t mean that they all drive 4x4's and fly on holiday.
I know loads of environmental protesters who have given up a high carbon lifestyle, doing so need not be a penance! There are studies to show that whilst our carbon emissions have increased, our happiness has decreased.
Does consumerism, 4X4's, holidays’ abroad, plasma TV’s, driving to Ikea shopping at Tesco's, sitting in traffic jams. Working long hours to afford buy kids the latest video game etc.. really make us that happy? Personally modern society makes me miserable, lonely and depressed.
Local sustainable communities, growing your own veg, getting exercise by walking to work with friends, shopping in local stores with people who know your name; partaking in community schemes; having a street party. Since I’ve adopted a greener lifestyle I’m making more friends and starting to belong on local communities that I never realized existed.
For instance I gave away an old washing machine when I moved on Freecycle to a single mum who had just had a kid. That’s what being green is all about for me which is why I personally didn’t bother going on this protest. I already knew that it would only reinforce the predictable stereotypes. I think the age of headline grabbing protests has now past and I spend my time working with groups like friends of the earth actually helping create the green alternatives lifestyles.
Evenly more people when adopt this way of living, the forces of industry, advertising etc.. that promote a lonely consumer lifestyle won’t keep pulling the wool over people’s eyes.
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 21/08/2007 : 09:49:05
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Your old Washing Machine has gone to a good Home
but what the Freakin' Blue Hell does that have to do with
Smelly Protesters at that camp.
You can Not tell
a "working" Family they can not Fly. |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 21/08/2007 : 12:16:13
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Originally posted by long time no see
Your old Washing Machine has gone to a good Home
but what the Freakin' Blue Hell does that have to do with
Smelly Protesters at that camp.
You can Not tell
a "working" Family they can not Fly.
You can inform them of the scientific facts about how increased aviation is contributing to global climate change. I would have thought it was our moral duty to do so.
If they choose to ignore the good advice and act in their self-intersts then that's upto them.
If there is enougth pressure then the government may increase tax or try and discourage people. The frequent flyers are the main problem, so maybe we need flight rations, or a personal carbon credit allowance. This would allow 'working' famililes to have their yearly holliday and penalize those who take advantage of many cheap flights for city breaks and internal UK travel. |
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Heathrow Protesters