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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 15:01:24
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| I do think it's odd that the left a child that young on their own in a foreign country. |
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FUBAR
Barsoom
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 Posted - 07/09/2007 : 16:03:58
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As I understand it being named in Portugal is not the same as here. It means that she has more protection under the law, not the same as being called a suspect here at all. And Moon, there really isn't that much difference from what they did to people sitting down stairs watching tv while the kids are in bed upstairs. It has now come to where you have to be in contact with your kids at all times or you are called a bad parent, so how come kids are out on the streets at all times of the day then? There is a lot of mud slinging going on by the self-righteous brigade who all know better but don't do better....... |
I came into the world with nothing and still have most of it left.. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5821 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2007 : 16:24:24
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| Of course it isn't the same but it is all grist to the mills of rumour and innuendo ... sickening really. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1402 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2007 : 10:04:32
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| the portugese police have cocked this investigation up from the start!! what worries me is the police may try to use the Mc canns as scapegoats just to try to cover thier own arses with the media circus that seems toconfuse fact with supposition |
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dom
Barsoom
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 15:05:38
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| To be honest though, I think the McCanns were actually the ones who turned this into a media circus. |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1402 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2007 : 19:29:05
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Daveb
Earthsea
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 19:47:11
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Circus or not, I can only get a bad feeling about this.
I do not trust the Portugese police, the media or the McCanns. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2007 : 19:57:01
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Yes Dave
and on any News station
it's Boring as Hell. |
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camelot
Barsoom
USA
336 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2007 : 06:46:37
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Originally posted by FUBAR
As I understand it being named in Portugal is not the same as here. It means that she has more protection under the law, not the same as being called a suspect here at all. And Moon, there really isn't that much difference from what they did to people sitting down stairs watching tv while the kids are in bed upstairs. It has now come to where you have to be in contact with your kids at all times or you are called a bad parent, so how come kids are out on the streets at all times of the day then? There is a lot of mud slinging going on by the self-righteous brigade who all know better but don't do better.......
Yes , it seems hysteria rules. This case (to my knowledge) has just now made news in the USA. I hope the young girl is found alive and well. Police always seem to come back to the parents when all other leads fail...because they are usually correct in doing so according to my neighbor a recently retired police detective. But they can be wrong...a truly terrible situation when you have lost a child and as a parent are then are blamed for that loss. ( I would already be feeling guilty about not protecting the child) |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2007 : 10:04:32
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They return to the UK. |
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livewire
Forum Admin
105 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2007 : 10:12:08
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Seeing as long time no see has seen fit to remove my warning I shall reiterate.
I am not having this forum descend into a hysterical trial by internet forum of the McCann's. Any posters who feel the need to make that sort of posting, I suggest go here.
thank you,
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2007 : 10:19:30
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quote:
Originally posted by thedelboy
the media circus was caused by the portugese authorities not the mc canns
Once you start a Media Circus
you can Never Control it , afterwards. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2007 : 10:42:09
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quote:
Originally posted by livewire
Seeing as long time no see has seen fit to remove my warning I shall reiterate.
I am not having this forum descend into a hysterical trial by internet forum of the McCann's. Any posters who feel the need to make that sort of posting, I suggest go here.
thank you,
livewire (admin)
The Mirror Forum is a Mess
no one on here wants it.
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2007 : 18:49:30
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Livewire : Note this is from tonights ITV News.
It is No way any such trial by internet at all.
Police in PraiaDa Luz
are aware that those parents used sedating pills
on their girl,
while they had their meal away from that room.
If an accident did happen
they need to tell the Police the truth. |
Edited by - long time no see on 09/09/2007 18:56:24 |
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No Expert
Barsoom
427 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2007 : 22:46:44
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Tut tut!
Always in trouble with the admins..
I think Dave put it best when he said "I do not trust the Portugese police, the media or the McCanns."
I get the feeling there will never be closure on this one. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2007 : 19:28:20
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Ch4 UK News has Confirmed the Police
out there Tapped their phones
after she went missing.
So now they are back in the UK
the Police will soon have a even bigger file.
A UK Lab has given them special DNA help
on dried blood.
I hope they conclude this case soon.
As many more people are missing but get no
TV Profile.
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Denise
Barsoom
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Posted - 10/09/2007 : 21:14:08
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quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Of course it isn't the same but it is all grist to the mills of rumour and innuendo ... sickening really.
It is indeed.
All that has really happened is that the McCanns have been effectively cautioned - much as I was when my car hit a child who ran into the road on Yarmouth seafront. Everybody who witnessed that,including an off-duty police officer, agreed that there was nothing I could have done to avoid the boy, as did the policeman who cautioned me. He had to caution me, and it was as much in my interest as anybody else's that he did.
That said, we should be extremely wary of any and all speculation on this case. I do not know that the Portuguese police investigating the matter have leaked anything (there seems little by way of solid confirmation), but we are all aware that the McCann family have been leaking like sieves, and that much we are hearing comes from that source.
What I am certain of is that the Portuguese police are desperate to recover the missing child, and that the constant drip drip of innuendo coming from parties directly interested in the matter must be wearing their patience extremely thin. |
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camelot
Barsoom
USA
336 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2007 : 00:27:56
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Originally posted by livewire
I am not having this forum descend into a hysterical trial by internet forum of the McCann's.
A very good point...we have television news channels here in Chicago like the local (cough) FOX station that run a telephone/text poll on hot topics like this ...it drives me bonkers to see thousands of people paying to record their vote on guilt or innocence by telephone. No facts presented...only the thirty second news read (with pictures if they will sell the story) I guess it does eliminate the need for a costly investigation and trial…as well as all the resources spent on courts of law, juries, judges etc..
Just thumbs up or down by those watching the tele…  |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2215 Posts |
Posted - 13/09/2007 : 19:55:02
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There is a new family car on the market.
Plenty of room for parents in the front, two kids in the back and one in the boot.
The Renault McCann |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1402 Posts |
Posted - 15/09/2007 : 08:04:56
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Dave you are a terror well at least someone is trying to lighten up the atmosphere on this thread,livewire is correct there should only be one trial and that is with the judiciary not the internet!!it is a shame the media seem to have already made thier judgement!!how can a fair trial now be possible? |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2215 Posts |
Posted - 15/09/2007 : 08:18:27
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Solid evidence, a body or finding her alive.
If it is the third, then there would be more questions to ask. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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NAZZ
Barsoom
United Kingdom
179 Posts |
Posted - 15/09/2007 : 16:42:20
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With all the media saying this hapened and that happened,if the McCanns end up in court on a charge would all the media hype
have an influencial impact on a jury? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5821 Posts |
Posted - 15/09/2007 : 17:43:32
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| Finding an impartial and non prejudiced jury would be difficult if not impossible. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2007 : 17:21:07
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And Branson
giving £100,000 to their Fund.
Typical of Branson
makes it's into a PR exercise. |
Edited by - long time no see on 16/09/2007 17:22:41 |
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1402 Posts |
Posted - 16/09/2007 : 17:49:19
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| LT looks like you are judge and jury on this one whatever happened to good old fashioned British justice(or Portuguese justice even?)as livewire has stated in an earlier post please lets not have a trial by internet |
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No Expert
Barsoom
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Horseman7
Barsoom
United Kingdom
160 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2007 : 16:06:40
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Sit on your hands next time.
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Jus
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/09/2007 : 14:29:29
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Hiya peeps - my first post here - saw a link in the argus forums from a Miriam Binder - and thought that this forum probably could prpbably handle yet another self opinionated waffler like me, so here goes, on the McCann topic...
Found it intersting that someone who has been working behind the scenes at a government department, the 'Central Office of Information', name of 'Clarence Mitchell', has stepped up to fill Justine McGuinneses role as 'Campaign Manager'... He was formerly the director of the Central Office of Information's media monitoring operation... Remember the 'Ministry of Truth' in Orwells '1984'? Parallels there maybe?
Anyway, he was seconded to oversee the Maddie case back in June... now that the McCanns are on the brink of being charged, off goes McGuinness and in comes Mitchell, wading in with a big press statement..
He attacked the "rampant, unfounded and inaccurate speculation of recent days".
He added that the McCanns were "innocent victims of a heinous crime" after Madeleine disappeared on 3 May from Praia da Luz, Portugal.
Mitchell, a former BBC journalist, said there were "entirely innocent explanations for anything the police may have found during their inquiries".
So then... lets tick off what has happened this week in total:
1) McCanns released without charge, come back to England
2) New Criminal solicitor appointed, one Michael Caplan QC, who fought efforts to extradite General Pinochet. He is probably the top Criminal solicitor in the country... the first non-Barrister to be made a QC I think?
3) Sir Richard Branson donates £100k to the funds needed to pay for the legal costs - Branson also asks other rich people to donate.
4) Campaign Manager 'resigns' and new Government taxpayer paid official appointed, issues statement saying that focus must be given to finding Madeleine.
For all the above to take place, you've got to agree that some pretty powerful strings have been pulled here.... does it not look to you from the above that someone in authority in this country knows something that we don't?
What makes Branson SO confident that he is willing to risk all his empires' PR cred on supporting the McCanns? How can he be THAT sure that they are not involved in Maddies' disappearance?
Similarly, for the Government to throw their weight behind this whole scenario, appointing a senior director in a government agency, to manage the McCanns PR, at our expense?
For Caplan to risk his legal reputation on a case such as this, where no-one 'apparently' has any knowledge of what REALLY happened on the night Maddie disappeared.
I would surmise that either:
1) They all know that she is in fact alive, safe and well
2) They know who the killers are, where Maddies' body is, and the McCanns are nothing to do with it...
You tell me, how does it look to you?
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/09/2007 : 14:34:36
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What it looks like to me so far is a tragedy of a family where the parents made a mistake and unlike many of the mistakes parents make on a daily basis while rearing their children, this family is paying the ultimate price by having as a result one of their children go missing.
What it further looks like to me is that all the armchair - oops sorry computerscreen detecting - is not going to help matters any and may indeed make matters much worse if they have not already done so. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Kate McCann may be charged
