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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
 Posted - 17/09/2007 : 18:42:13
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Zimbabwe live via ITV News
is a risk.
But they showed the problems.
The UK can in no way go into that nation
because due to the History of the British Empire days.
ITV is free on the Internet as well
for UK customers.
Sanctions will not help the people
more will die.
Sign Of The Times
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Daveb
Discworld
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Posted - 17/09/2007 : 19:22:54
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Great to give independence to the colonies.
Look at the grief it causes.
Can anyone name an African success story after a colonial power has pulled out?
Compare this with India, Canada, Australia, Hong Kong and America.
OK forget America! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/09/2007 : 19:24:13
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| Wish it were as simple as blaming it on the pulling out. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2007 : 19:25:32
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Originally posted by Daveb
Great to give independence to the colonies.
Look at the grief it causes.
Can anyone name an African success story after a colonial power has pulled out?
Compare this with India, Canada, Australia, Hong Kong and America.
OK forget America!
South Africa. |
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Daveb
Discworld
1869 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2007 : 19:28:20
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It is the mess it leaves behind.
Corrupt Dictators and supressed tribal wars.
Yugoslavia was good European example of suddden freedom!
Even though that was a dictatorship falling apart. |
We're all doomed! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2007 : 19:37:38
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5244 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2007 : 19:40:49
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Originally posted by long time no see
South Africa.
Really? And how African is that country - aside from its mere geographical location that is. And again, how successful is it for the majority of its residents? How does it deal with the AIDS epidemic for instance ... how has it eradicated the gross inequities that are still there long after apartheid has been 'officially' declared passé? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2007 : 19:45:02
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As a nation it is doing well.
So yes Miriam - YES.
Any African Nation does nothing to help its Aids epidemic.
They will not even Allow use of Condoms.
So that is sadly Normal.
Sign Of The Times. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5244 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2007 : 20:40:30
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Originally posted by long time no see
As a nation it is doing well.
So yes Miriam - YES.
Any African Nation does nothing to help its Aids epidemic.
They will not even Allow use of Condoms.
So that is sadly Normal.
Sign Of The Times.
They are not the only ones that do not allow the use of condoms and quite frankly that is a papal issue as it is the Catholic Church and its head 'fisherman' that oppose the use of condoms. But that wasn't the issue isn't whether that is 'normal' for Africa but whether that is indicative of advancement.
I think you are wrong. Most reasonable people would say you are wrong but you keep deluding yourself LTNS. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2007 : 21:06:33
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
They are not the only ones that do not allow the use of condoms and quite frankly that is a papal issue as it is the Catholic Church and its head 'fisherman' that oppose the use of condoms. But that wasn't the issue isn't whether that is 'normal' for Africa but whether that is indicative of advancement.
I think you are wrong. Most reasonable people would say you are wrong but you keep deluding yourself LTNS.
Look who is getting Rude Now.
My Point is that Nation (South Africa) is a Rich Nation.
It has more Poor than Rich,
but then so does the No.1 Nation of the World - China.
As for you saying the Aids Epedemic
that is very correct Religion Stinks |
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Anubis
Barsoom
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Posted - 17/09/2007 : 23:26:56
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Originally posted by long time no see
I gave you one Nation that is doing well.
Well I guess that depends upon how you define "doing well", LTNS. Grant you it aint another Zimbabwe et al, but: according to The world factbook, compiled by the CIA and published by the US government, after the first 13 years of the ANC 50% of people now live below the poverty datum line, and life expectancy has dropped to 42.45 years. The infant mortality rate has increased to 59.44 (it was 45 in 1990). This in a country rated as ‘middle income’, with the 10th largest stock exchange in the world. The GINI coefficient, which is an indication of the income differential between the highest and lowest earners, now largely distinguishes between the rich black elite and poor blacks, whereas before it was between rich whites and poor blacks.
Racism still permeates all aspects of life in South Africa, and is used at every opportunity to promote African blacks, while it is common cause that ‘coloured’ and ‘Indian’ people never suffered under apartheid and therefore do not need to be considered as victims. Strangely enough, the group responsible for keeping the apartheid government in place over all the decades - ie, the whites - has gained the most out of this process, and continues to have the best of the political deal in South Africa: hence their worship of Mandela and support for Mbeki.
Access to healthcare, education, water, electricity, sanitation, jobs and housing is available to those who can pay for it, as even water supply has been privatised. In certain areas of the Eastern Cape, for example, unemployment is at 60% - the government claims that the national average is 30%. There is no social security network, so that unemployed people have no source of income, but rely on handouts from family and friends....we could go on, but it is just a Forum for an odd comment or two .... |
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Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 17/09/2007 : 23:56:55
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Yes Politics in South Africa
is a Tribal.
That is Africa's way.
Back to ITVNews in Zimbabwe
they are Live all week.
More Reports tomorrow
The BBC can never ever match ITV News or Ch4 News.
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Borninhove
Calaspia
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Posted - 18/09/2007 : 05:32:44
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| Zimbabwe managed to beat Australia in the 20-20 series last week, so it can't all be doom and gloom. |
 Valhalla, I am coming! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2007 : 06:13:45
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Originally posted by Borninhove
Zimbabwe managed to beat Australia in the 20-20 series last week, so it can't all be doom and gloom.
Sadly it is Doom for the people.
ITV News is taking a big risk
and all that are interviewed on it.
UK News people are banned, of course.
http://news.independent.co.uk/media/article2968775.ece
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/09/2007 : 07:02:43
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Originally posted by long time no see
Yes Politics in South Africa
is a Tribal.
That is Africa's way.
Back to ITVNews in Zimbabwe
they are Live all week.
More Reports tomorrow
The BBC can never ever match ITV News or Ch4 News.
So South Africa is not as sucessful as you claimed. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2007 : 07:09:40
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Yes it is
under what Dave asked. |
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Daveb
Discworld
1869 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2007 : 08:52:34
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It is better than most.
That is because the did not take the control of business and farms from the incumbents.
Many have left and South Africa is not as successful os safe as it once was.
They were lucky to have Mandela.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5244 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2007 : 08:59:32
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| If it is merely an issue of relativity I would have to agree Daveb, however is relativity a yardstick for judging or measuring? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Discworld
1869 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2007 : 09:01:38
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We're all doomed! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2007 : 09:03:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
It is better than most.
That is because the did not take the control of business and farms from the incumbents.
Many have left and South Africa is not as successful os safe as it once was.
They were lucky to have Mandela.
Bang On Right. |
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Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 18/09/2007 : 22:31:58
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Mark Austin
from the Zimbabwe Border Live
on ITVNews now
with another ground breaking report
showing the thousands that cross the border
trying hard to get into South Africa. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2007 : 17:37:34
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FiveNews run by SkyNews
is also covering problems in Zimbabwe.
Today British Airways
has stopped all commercial flights to Zimbabwe.
Sign Of The Times. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 19/09/2007 : 18:32:49
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ITVNews Live from Zimbabwe tonight
83 year old Mugabe has now turned the Water Supply Off
in some areas as a Political weapon
making sure he stays in power.
And all Sanctions from Europe
have made the people suffer even more. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 20/09/2007 : 10:16:54
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So Pathetic Brown
will miss the meeting.
No big deal. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2007 : 19:26:22
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Evil Brown is now putting on even more Sanctions
which will Kill more Africans under that leader.
FACT.
Brown has confirmed he is not going to the Dec., meeting
and Mugabe does not care one bit.
Scottish Brown is a Fool. |
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Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 25/03/2008 : 18:47:10
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ITV News tonight
has found hundreds of Names of Dead People
being used by Mugabe to Fix his Election.
Seems he will never give up. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
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Daveb
Discworld
1869 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 19:58:29
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| Too think if Tony & George are smelly evil and nasty what does that make this excuss for a human being? |
We're all doomed! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6321 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 20:44:01
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Evil Bush has no interest
no oil in that nation.
Evil Blair should be Locked up with Mugabe
with No Food at all. |
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Earthsea
United Kingdom
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/04/2008 : 09:25:14
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If all the countries who give "Aid" to the "African nations"withheld said aid until they pressurised Mugabe into leaving,then something would be done but as it is as long as the african nations receive our tax monies to help them they dont give a shit FACT,Lt has rose tinted glasses sometimes; |
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Zimbabwe Live On ITV News