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nightowl
Barsoom
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2007 : 13:16:25
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Stinking New Labour
downsizing Real Police with this temp crazy solution.
Vote New Labour Out. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5805 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2007 : 17:35:50
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| How can anyone defend this sort of inaction? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2007 : 18:05:11
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Police Officers on Radio 5
have said this is the problem of dressing these people
in Police Uniforms.
These Community people have come in
at a Cost to Real Officers - who have been downsized,
Brown/Blair are using these temps to make it look good,
but infact it has made the UK worse in many cases
simply because Real Police are downsized. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5805 Posts |
 Posted - 21/09/2007 : 18:09:48
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Police Officers on Radio 5
have said this is the problem of dressing these people
in Police Uniforms.
These Community people have come in
at a Cost to Real Officers - who have been downsized,
Brown/Blair are using these temps to make it look good,
but infact it has made the UK worse in many cases
simply because Real Police are downsized.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the police uniform or the fact that the were Community Support officers. Any human being would have tried to do something. This has to do with the individual and hiding behind the health and safety rules and regulations is just a cop-out!
The trouble is that because they were in uniform they can be held to account and so the police are forced to excuse what is basically an inexcusable action. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2007 : 18:22:05
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Very True Miriam
these Officers are now talking about other problems
that are connected with these Temps. |
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nightowl
Barsoom
259 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2007 : 18:44:11
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Thank god for the two anglers who saved the girl, the only two who can hold their heads high with pride from this sad tragedy.
Plastic or cardboard cutouts of police is no what we want or need.... |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2007 : 18:45:37
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True Nightowl
Vote New Labour Out. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2201 Posts |
Posted - 21/09/2007 : 19:33:33
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The PCSOs apparantly arrived after boy had been in the water for some time although there is no mention of how long. That is a key factor.
The water was not clear and there was no idea where the boy was.
I would hope that if they had seen anyone in trouble they would have gone in.
Lack of training is useless excuse.
Not being able to swim may be. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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FUBAR
Barsoom
425 Posts |
Posted - 22/09/2007 : 12:13:34
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| Much discussed on talk radio, quite a lot of "where were the parents?". |
I came into the world with nothing and still have most of it left.. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5805 Posts |
Posted - 22/09/2007 : 12:29:00
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| The eternal cry ... Sometimes parents are not there. It happens, as in the case of Maddie and others throughout time. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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No Expert
Barsoom
427 Posts |
Posted - 22/09/2007 : 14:19:39
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Originally posted by long time no see
Stinking New Labour
downsizing Real Police with this temp crazy solution.
Vote New Labour Out.
I see you landed to Tory campaign contract. Well done! |
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gcrkfrd
Barsoom
USA
401 Posts |
Posted - 22/09/2007 : 18:50:19
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| Seems as if someone on Patrol, would at least, have the Ability, of a Boy Scout. Being a First Responder, it should be required. |
AMERICAN BY BIRTH, UNION BY CHOICE |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1178 Posts |
Posted - 22/09/2007 : 21:14:29
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| I`m wondering, is it a basic requirement for all proper policemen to be competent swimmers? If not, then those H&S guidelines are fair. I`m also wondering, if the First Responder had been a non-swimmer regular policeman who didn`t dive in regardless...it wouldn`t have given ammunition to the anti-PCSO lobby, would it? |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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nightowl
Barsoom
259 Posts |
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Dingo
Barsoom
United Kingdom
281 Posts |
Posted - 23/09/2007 : 18:56:36
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Fluffy,
From a Police Blog
Swimming and life saving....
I'm not going to comment on the tragedy of the brave lad who died trying to save his stepsister.
There have obviously been discussions about it but today I discovered that you no longer have to be able to swim to be a police officer and, obviously, you don't have to complete any lifesaving skills.
How I remember struggling at training school with that test. Still I expect that it was a cost saving thingy, so that's alright then. Of course a lot of the training schools have gone now being replaced with courses in pseudo Universities.
A police officer that can't swim? Well, whatever next. Will there will be officers that cannot read and write properly. Probationary officers that are paid to attend remedial learning classes in English. Oh sh*t, yes there are.
I had to be able to swim and had basic lifesaving instruction when I joined. It is not the case in Sussex now. Bye bye police training college hello course at Brighton Uni. As LTNS states, New Labour etc. etc. |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1178 Posts |
Posted - 23/09/2007 : 20:19:40
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| It`s sad Dingo, and sad that the general public don`t seem to be aware - yes, it might sound good on paper that everybody and his dog can get a Degree or a Diploma in Higher Education. Sad that we seem to think this is progress, and shun the word `training` as demeaning. Practical professions need training in practical skills, not paper assignments at colleges. |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 27/09/2007 : 11:39:41
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I think it's healthy to have a mix of vocational and academic styles of learning. Modern Police work can be pretty complex and Insitutions like the University of Brighton offer a place where specialists can deliver quality education. I don't think it's realistic to expect the old style of training facilities to teach all of the required skills in modern policing mehods.
We ask a lot of these support officers if we expect them to act as trained life guards as well. Should they also know how to rescue people from burning buildings, perform emergeny first aid and disarm bombs as well?
I think if you are looking for something to blame then it would be worth consider the health & safety culture rather than training. If these people must be told quite often that they can't do this or that, no wonder they are hessitant to act and put themselves in danger. |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2007 : 10:22:42
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| Could PSCO's soon be replaced by SCOABS'? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2007 : 10:26:51
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
1401 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2007 : 10:33:28
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as much as I feel the two idiots were inhuman in thier attitudes I do think the compensation culture of today is more to blame!as are the senior officer who has been a dispicable wanker for defending thier non action.!!having officers who cannot swim in an area where there is either lakes quarries or even sea is pure stupidity,and furthermore to say under health and safety rules even if they could swim they are not allowed to is taking the urine to the limit |
keep on smiling |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2007 : 12:31:38
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Originally posted by long time no see
PC Ploddit employes his new Wallmart Colour Copier to deploy new SCOABS's around Chav zones |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2007 : 21:42:00
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Moon why did you not post it on
your thread Tribal Wars.
You started it off.
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1178 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 20:33:34
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I was talking to a colleague yesterday. Her son, aged 21, is in the process of attempting to enlist as a PCSO with North Wales Police. He wants to sort of dip his toes in the water and get some experience before deciding to commit to a career in the force. Which is fair enough, I suppose.
He`s had to take a `Welsh Test` - this doesn`t, apparently require the candidate to be a fluent Welsh speaker, it`s more about being able to pronounce Welsh place names reasonably correctly. It is also a fact that many folks living in North Wales (including locally born & bred) don`t speak Welsh, and don`t pronounce place-names correctly either. My colleague`s son is nevertheless put through this Welsh test as part of his entry requirements to the Specials. He has never been asked if he can swim, but we`ve got Bala Lake, the River Dee with many deep or dangerous patches very easily accessible to public, and a few reservoirs, but never mind. You`re in if you can say their names right! |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 21:28:24
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What abour Stopping Crime Fluffy?
Here they just move the Piss Heads/Junkies on.
Pathetic.
New Labour Wrecked the UK. |
Edited by - long time no see on 08/10/2007 21:43:08 |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1178 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 21:58:22
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I agree, LT, in a way. The state of society in the UK is producing more juvenile crime, more juvenile piss-heads and junkies. The law of the land under New Labour seems to be `move them on`, or actually just SIT on the problem, until the little dears come of age, and then try to deal with it, by which time it`s ingrained.
Stopping Crime needs to be tackled more effectively with juveniles. Can`t blame the Cops who don`t make the laws. So, yes, the Labour Nanny State has to take the blame. |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Morally bankrupt country