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Daveb
Earthsea
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 Posted - 01/10/2008 : 05:59:39
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| Drunk abd blind cows stampede and many are killed on their way to the temple to protest against cattle getting the blame for global warming! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 06:28:38
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| Well, this should be interesting. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Anubis
Calaspia
718 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 08:34:55
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Well, this should be interesting.
Nothing "new" Mim -- the separate texts are well known already to those interested enough to look for/at them -- joining them together and digitalizing them will add nothing more .... |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 08:37:26
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| New? Who said anything about new? What is interesting are some of the comments below the article ... |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 09:26:49
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| I've been to Santa Katerina. It is a fascinating place. Do you know they keep the skulls of all the monks that died there in a huge vault ... well vaults actually. There are also the mummified remains of the very first abbot. The monks are odd creatures - vitriolic when they think you do not understand what they are saying. But the library .... Wow! A gorgeous collection of hand-scripted books with absolutely gorgeous calligraphy and the decoration on some of them is out of this world. So absolutely beautiful! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Anubis
Calaspia
718 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 11:02:06
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
I've been to Santa Katerina. It is a fascinating place. Do you know they keep the skulls of all the monks that died there in a huge vault ... well vaults actually. There are also the mummified remains of the very first abbot. The monks are odd creatures - vitriolic when they think you do not understand what they are saying. But the library .... Wow! A gorgeous collection of hand-scripted books with absolutely gorgeous calligraphy and the decoration on some of them is out of this world. So absolutely beautiful!
So, lucky you! Never managed Israel and/or surrounds .. and the majority of posters will, like me, have missed out a lot. Looks fascinating in the pictures one sees of the monastery and no, I for one didn't know monks' skulls would be in evidence, although this seems to have been customary in early Christian communities. Obviously the extensive catacombs in Paris are quite different in that it was just a massive common burial place and the thousands of re-arranged bones greeting the visitor are hardly showing the devotion and respect which you describe, Mim. I read your post about an hour ago and have spent the intervening time trying to remember the name of the small town in the south of Germany, very close to the Czech border, where there is a small Catholic church/priest residence and in the church, on display, are about eight (?) clothed skeletons of medieval priests/monks. Parishioners, sitting in their pews during services, would be looking at these skeletons surrounding them. Maybe someone else can remind me of the name of the town I'm talking about. (If I've got it right, the skeletons came to the south of Germany in 1943/44 from Italy (Vatican?) to save them from destruction in the invasion of the country. After the war, the Italians wanted them back, but the church was now part of the DDR and the request was refused. Where am I talking about? ... it's a small town, just a main street and a small square in front of the Church I'm talking about).
Alzheimer's onset is painful to watch, isn't it!
Interesting notes from you, Mim. I'd like to see it all as well, but can't imagine ever making that journey (or any lengthy trip -- I'm just getting too old for those far-away hikes. |
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Anubis
Calaspia
718 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 16:27:03
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
I've been to Santa Katerina. It is a fascinating place. Do you know they keep the skulls of all the monks that died there in a huge vault ... well vaults actually. There are also the mummified remains of the very first abbot. The monks are odd creatures - vitriolic when they think you do not understand what they are saying. But the library .... Wow! A gorgeous collection of hand-scripted books with absolutely gorgeous calligraphy and the decoration on some of them is out of this world. So absolutely beautiful!
On a lighter note ..........
Don't make the mistake of imagining 'keeping the bones of priests' only happened in other countries ... as a small extract from one of my favourite "History of Britain" books reminds us:
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 18:15:03
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This sort of veneration for old bones goes back to Ancient Egyptian times and beyond!
There is an interesting account going about regarding the prophet Elisha's bones ... (OT 2 Kgs 13.21 & 2 Kgs 2.14) |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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sweeny todd
Barsoom
United Kingdom
249 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 21:13:07
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| it seems to me that whilst you all seem in my view to have a rather negative view on the thesis of there being a god does anyone think of anything better ! ie a superior being that may or may not have seeded this planet ? all replies welcome ! jocular or otherwise ! |
only borrow from a pessimist |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 22:15:24
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God doesn't bother me so much as what 'man' has determined God to be. All things to all men and the devil take the hindmost. Personally I am ambivalent about the existence or otherwise of God. Its a bit like the monarchy really ... I try and be law abiding not because I revere the Queen but because I hold that lawful conduct is more conducive to a general sense of societal well being. By the same token, I try and accept my fellow man, woman and child, not because of some God decree but because it is more conducive to a general sense of societal cohesion.
As for the geocentric (in the secondary meaning, to wit: based on the earth as the centre of perspective and valuation) view of life being something designed and created ... Personally I favour the long line of accidental mutations as the origin of live, the universe and everything.
And the answer is still 42!   |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Anubis
Calaspia
718 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2008 : 22:17:24
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Originally posted by sweeny todd
it seems to me that whilst you all seem in my view to have a rather negative view on the thesis of there being a god does anyone think of anything better ! ie a superior being that may or may not have seeded this planet ? all replies welcome ! jocular or otherwise !
"little green men"? is one possibility --- you apparently missed the various alternatives considered on the previous page, Sweeny ....
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ut-ZwWVotls&feature=user
work through 1 - 5 !! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2008 : 11:59:01
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| Well, there you go folks, the credit crunch is all down to god punishing us mere mortals ... according to the Bishop of Lewes |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Tombstone Blues
Earthsea
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Anubis
Calaspia
718 Posts |
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Anubis
Calaspia
718 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2008 : 00:09:30
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Sorry -- I've discussed this specific topic several times before, but can't remember exactly where. Subject: George W Bush -- and his regularly "editing" of the conversations he's had with God.
Those of you who remember the previous postings will recall I reminded readers that soon after the Iraq invasion, George W told the press that "God told me to go get those weapons of mass destruction". His comments appeared on one of our TV news reports. Then, as the evidence became clear (there were no such weapons to be found), George W visited Palestine, where he told his audience that "God told me to to go get rid of that tyrant" (not the editing of God's instructions. Well, poor old George W has now realized nobody anywhere supports his Iraq activities, whatever the "justification" .... so today, another "editing" takes place ... nothing to do with God at all!:
[sorry it's the wrong posting. I had decided to stop contributing to Livewire (following encounters with others who, like George W, who demonstrate their "inauthenticity" vis-a-vis serious discussion), but after a few whiskeys thought the Geo W really did deserve completion] |
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Anubis
Calaspia
718 Posts |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2823 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2009 : 19:38:38
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7810340.stm
Religion is such a wonderful thind.
WTF does it say you shall blow the f.... out of those whom dare believe in something else?
Those were not even Infidels! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Anubis
Calaspia
718 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 09:38:15
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Indeed, Daveb!
I put this on the "Argus" a few days ago.
"Nowadays we have procedures for treating schizophrenics. Eons ago, they were perceived as receiving spirit communications from a spiritual world. Mohammed visited heaven, where the creator spoke to him and what was said to him he wrote down and so the Koran came into existence. Jesus, conversed not only to his heavenly father, but held discussions with demons inhabiting the bodies of maniacs, negotiating their transference into the bodies of pigs. In fact, almost all the ancient characters figuring in these religious myths routinely met with and discussed with angels, demons and gods. Their hallucinations were 'believed'!
"These 'disturbed' behaviours continue to happen today -- we describe these individuals as suffering from schizophrenia. We give them medication, enabling them to live more or less normal lives. Some of them elect to escape medical help -- choosing an alternative solution by joining a "spiritual community". That's the function of religion explained -- first by Freud (i.e. escaping the 'personal' neurosis by joining the 'mass' neurosis -- usually described as 'the Church')"
Very relevant. These mentally ill individuals require therapy -- or if that's not possible, put them somewhere where they can do less harm to the rest of us. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2823 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 09:53:00
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My God!
I agree. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 09:57:30
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| You mean that if Jesus had lived in this day and age we wouldn't have crucified him on the cross but dehumanised him with medication? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Posted - 05/01/2009 : 10:49:49
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| Medication for behavioural problems are not necessarily good for the recipitant,I have watched some one close to me for the last two years get drugged up by a so called caring society;one day he is a lovely lad next day he is a ff in zombie. Nowadays all mentalproblems seem to be treat em with drugs what ever happened to therapy? geshtolt ? If you can get someone with amental problem interested in something enough you can alter thier personality enough for themto lead a near normal life |
keep on smiling |
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Anubis
Calaspia
718 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 11:00:06
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
You mean that if Jesus had lived in this day and age we wouldn't have crucified him on the cross but dehumanised him with medication?
No ..... "humanized" him -- with medication. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 11:01:35
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Originally posted by Anubis
No ..... "humanized" him -- with medication.
Semantic prevarication. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Anubis
Calaspia
718 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 11:03:15
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Originally posted by thedelboy
Medication for behavioural problems are not necessarily good for the recipitant,I have watched some one close to me for the last two years get drugged up by a so called caring society;one day he is a lovely lad next day he is a ff in zombie. Nowadays all mentalproblems seem to be treat em with drugs what ever happened to therapy? geshtolt ? If you can get someone with amental problem interested in something enough you can alter thier personality enough for themto lead a near normal life
Fair comment, DB. We are still very ignorant in these matters -- all medications carry their associated risks -- living on insulin for nearly 4o years has given me plenty of practical experience in that field. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 11:05:59
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Originally posted by Anubis
Fair comment, DB. We are still very ignorant in these matters -- all medications carry their associated risks -- living on insulin for nearly 4o years has given me plenty of practical experience in that field.
Yet you seem sure that medicating a modern day Jesus would have humanised him? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Posted - 05/01/2009 : 11:22:20
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| some meds are worse than others ,if I take too much of my pain killer I hallucinate(I know I have a drink with it sometimes Mim) but a lot of these "anti psychotic" drugs are there just to make care home staff have an easier time;they are not there for the patients benefit!! what benefit does an otherwise healthy kid get when he is drugged up cant exercise just either lays down and sleeps all day or is put i front of a tv to sit all day ? after meals meds bed time meds I have seen it with my own eyes,so has Mim. |
keep on smiling |
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BLONDIE
Barsoom
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Posted - 05/01/2009 : 12:54:38
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| I see we have returned to these enormous long lines again. Will no-one ever learn? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 12:56:59
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Originally posted by BLONDIE
I see we have returned to these enormous long lines again. Will no-one ever learn?
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Anubis
Calaspia
718 Posts |
Posted - 14/01/2009 : 16:09:21
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No idea whether this will come out as 'long lines' or not; my technical computer skills are VERY limited!
On a more modest scale, there have been some useful comments on the Argus forum relating to Adam T's article on the 'almost abandoned' St Peters Church. We have our share of religious cretins in Brighton [in spite of apparently being the least religious town in the UK (cheer! cheer!)]; the latest from Txa, argues the relative unimportance of getting one's facts right:
anubis, hove says...
5:01pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Useful comments, Acheron -- although I also can't go along with your 'partial excusing' the Christians by suggesting that maybe 'slavery' meant something different to the Bible scribes. No, they were not "talking about a different thing"; indeed the Biblical instructions for the taking of slaves make this quite clear (Lev 25:44-46) -- nowhere in the Bible is there any condemnation of slavery (not even in the later Greek Scrriptures -- indeed Biblical scholars will be aware of the NT gospel written by the Christian slave- owner, Plilemon).
The slavery concept was embedded in all the Christian sects -- Whitfield, joint founder with the Wesleys, of the Methodists, also composed hymns and provides us with the choice lines:
"He bade the slave ships speed from coast to coast,
Fanned by the wings of the Holy Ghost."
In the House of Commons on 18 Feb 1796, Wilberforce reminded that Christian assembly that infidel and anarchic France had given liberty to the Africans, whilst Christian England was "obstinately continuing a system of cruelty and injustice". Wilberforce found the whole influence of the English Court and the great weight of the Episcopal Bench against him. George III, a most Christian king, regarded abolitionist theories with abhorrence and the Christian House of Lords (loaded with bishops of the Anglican Church) was utterly opposed to the granting of freedom to the slaves.
I am not suggesting MODERN Christians openly support slavery -- but surely it tells us something about these people in that they are unable to accurately report their own history?!
Txa, B&H says...
9:56am Wed 14 Jan 09
Sure religious books are full of inaccuracies, they have been writing by men but that one difference between atheists and believers; when believers read religious books they concentrate in the spiritual messages that bring peace and harmony into their lives, and that it can only be a good thing for the community and society as a whole.
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Tombstone Blues
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return of the religious loonies
