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long time no see
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6268 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2007 :  17:50:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On London TV News it has shocked the Public.

And New Labour are a Disgrace to the UK.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
5222 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2007 :  18:37:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh for Pete's sake ... Were people expecting such a project to take place and not cause any side effects?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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long time no see
Earthsea



United Kingdom
6268 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2007 :  18:41:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
4 Billion
is a big amount.

On the Local TV news they showed what has had Funding taken away
so there is a big debate going on.
Infact BBC London had to do a Special Program on it with the Mayor
and the Public were angry on the program,
a week ago or so.

Edited by - long time no see on 09/08/2007 18:42:15
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
5222 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2007 :  18:50:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
4 billion is a drop in the ocean when you think about the real term costs of the construction industry as a whole.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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Daveb
Discworld



1862 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2007 :  18:55:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There was me thinking that we had imported quite few workers from the EU?

It will be interseting to see how we get enough raw materials with so much being used in China and India.

We're all doomed!
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 11/08/2007 :  17:01:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mrs Poppadum has had an idea about the King Alfred which everybody has missed. She is looking in to it.
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2007 :  11:34:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Although the Maukua Club is concerned with the countryside, its provision of guides on running a campaign etc., even funding, could have been a useful thing for this King Alfred development.
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 23/08/2007 :  20:24:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mrs Poppadum has heard that the plans for a building to replace the nursing home opposite the King Alfred have had the kibosh put on them. The Council wants a better design.

This could herald changes at the King Alfred design.

Residents are hoping now that a good design will emerge for the Sackville Hotel nearby. That nursing home is no thing of beauty.
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birdy
Alagaësía



United Kingdom
78 Posts

Posted - 06/09/2007 :  10:26:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seems local hack Amy Raphael has written a pro towers article for this months elle decoration.p,85 states how gehry is poised to "vamp "up the seafront with two residential towers,communal squares and artworks by anthony gormley-no mention of surrounding ghetto blocks or that anthony has left the building!
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom



United Kingdom
391 Posts

Posted - 06/09/2007 :  20:35:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by birdy

Seems local hack Amy Raphael has written a pro towers article for this months elle decoration.p,85 states how gehry is poised to "vamp "up the seafront with two residential towers,communal squares and artworks by anthony gormley-no mention of surrounding ghetto blocks or that anthony has left the building!


Must be using an old press release. Nothing like using fresh ones.
Leaving the building : good point, ladies and gentleman please form an orderly queue.
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B.O.B.
Alagaësía



60 Posts

Posted - 07/09/2007 :  13:54:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Saw in a mag that Frank Gehry has designed some table ornaments in silver based on crumpled up pieces of paper. $20,000 - $50,000 for one of these rubbish inspired trinkets!
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 14/09/2007 :  09:29:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mrs Poppadum has been wondering whether all bodies allied to this proposal are in fact happy with the situation. There could be reason to doubt it.
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 16/09/2007 :  18:16:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is an incisve account of the poor plannng process which the King Alfred went through. The September 2007 issue of the Regency Society's newsletter.

http://www.regencysociety.org/newsletters.html
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 23/09/2007 :  10:12:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is an interesting piece about Bilbao ten years after Gehry.

The town is "all dressed up but hasn't figured where to go".

Anyway, I cannot picture tourists making any sidevisits to a swimming pool and shops in Hove, and his building there does not loom as this King Alfred would.

Nothing in common.

http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/travel/23bilbao.html
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 28/09/2007 :  09:32:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a very good piece about the towers going up on the quiet throughout London. note the Prescott detail!

Is this what will happen here?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2178849,00.html
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
5222 Posts

Posted - 28/09/2007 :  10:00:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What will happen or what is already happening. I believe the latter.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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B.O.B.
Alagaësía



60 Posts

Posted - 29/09/2007 :  07:09:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I read an article recently that said swimming pools are closing in England because Councils cannnot afford to keep them running so why have a roof at the New King Alfred made out of unfunctioning decorative bits of coloured metal which will cost loads to maintain?
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 02/10/2007 :  10:52:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mrs Poppadum has found that Southern Housing is not happy with the King Alfred proposals of which it is a part. They have twice been considering pulling out. To have resources tied up in this is a burden.
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 03/10/2007 :  17:45:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why was Heather James of Karis at Mike Holland's big birthday party when he has said that he would like to create something different at the King Alfred?

Is there a deal going on behind the scenes?
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
5222 Posts

Posted - 03/10/2007 :  18:05:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Infinite Poppadum

Why was Heather James of Karis at Mike Holland's big birthday party when he has said that he would like to create something different at the King Alfred?

Is there a deal going on behind the scenes?

Heather James late of Brighton & Hove City Council? Why not, she'll deal behind closed doors wherever and whenever and with whomever. Okay maybe not that bad but not far off surely?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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Control Panel
Discworld



1155 Posts

Posted - 04/10/2007 :  17:55:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder

quote:
Originally posted by Infinite Poppadum

Why was Heather James of Karis at Mike Holland's big birthday party when he has said that he would like to create something different at the King Alfred?

Is there a deal going on behind the scenes?

Heather James late of Brighton & Hove City Council? Why not, she'll deal behind closed doors wherever and whenever and with whomever. Okay maybe not that bad but not far off surely?



Yes, there is talk about Southern Housing. It is embarrassed by the situation.
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 10/10/2007 :  20:38:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The King Alfred is now subject to the possibility of a judicial review going forward. Organised by the Regency Society. They are very well organised, says Mrs Poppdum who thinks that this potential delay could be the final one to make Southern Housing decide that the whole thing is not for them. They have got fed up before, and it is odd, she says, that objectors have not mentioned the central subject of the affordable housing funding rather than go on and on about the Gehry bit. It could have very easily been stopped last year, it seems.
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 15/10/2007 :  09:56:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Very interesting account of efforts in Whitsable to keep its pleasant quay instead of dreary "regeneration" (more glass...). They have got a petition of 16,000 - over half the population.

I think something like that was needed for the King Alfred. There were no resounding petitions that anybody heard of so far as I know.

English Heritage says that it is by making established parts of seaside towns the focus that these places gain visitors. So visitors will not be interested in ugly blocks of flats...

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article3061135.ece
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 20/10/2007 :  17:54:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mrs Poppadum is not one to crow - she says - but here is further evidence of her view that in fact it is the so-called "affordable" housing which is the financial mainspring of the proposed King Alfred. There is a lot of money in it for developers.

The Gehry has been a distraction from the main thrust.

http://money.guardian.co.uk/property/firsttimebuyers/story/0,,2195102,00.html
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B.O.B.
Alagaësía



60 Posts

Posted - 21/10/2007 :  10:47:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What a con. 'Affordable housing', key workers'.
If a flat is sold to a 'key worker' as affordable housing does it then always have to be sold on to a 'key worker' or can anyone buy it?
From my personal experience of Property Developers I found them to be money grabbing, unpleasant threatening bullies.
The Council has already been threatened by Arghiros if I remember rightly.
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld



1214 Posts

Posted - 26/10/2007 :  17:46:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Regency Society has dropped its judicial review - apparently because it would still get through Planning.

Is there something else going on? Something that means the review is not needed?
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birdy
Alagaësía



United Kingdom
78 Posts

Posted - 31/10/2007 :  22:24:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well thats sad news-also did anyone see the notice from gose in last weeks argus regarding a closing up order for kings Esplanade and Hove street south???the details are in the Jubilee library,it seems that the ball is starting to roll now,,and nothing is going to get in the way.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
5222 Posts

Posted - 01/11/2007 :  02:53:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The conception of a future slum! Slums in the making!

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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caeos
Barsoom



136 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2007 :  01:52:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
interesting
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/mit-sues-famed-architect-frank-gehry/20071106161609990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea



United Kingdom
5222 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2007 :  01:59:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oops?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin
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