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Daveb
Discworld
1884 Posts |
 Posted - 16/01/2008 : 19:31:42
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| The only backhanders should have been of the punching kind, given to Karis and all involved. Then tell them to go away and design something sensible! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5292 Posts |
Posted - 16/01/2008 : 19:35:01
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Pelagia
Barsoom
452 Posts |
Posted - 16/01/2008 : 20:33:14
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| Seems like a case of the emperor's new clothes. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6407 Posts |
Posted - 16/01/2008 : 20:40:59
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Will they Ditch him?
Or does this give him Superstar Status? |
Edited by - long time no see on 16/01/2008 20:42:22 |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1233 Posts |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6407 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 07:52:31
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In London they have to find new backers,
so that could be long delays.
Hove is about Housing
that is far more important.
Life In The City.
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Daveb
Discworld
1884 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 09:04:56
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Hove, Marina are all about profit for the builders and investors.
Do you really think they give a hoot about local housing needs?
If the builders had their way they would all be luxury flats and stuff the low cost social units. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6407 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 09:22:30
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Of Course
they care about Local Housing
that is the Foundation of all the Contracts. |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 13:51:41
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quote:
Originally posted by Daveb
Hove, Marina are all about profit for the builders and investors.
Do you really think they give a hoot about local housing needs?
If the builders had their way they would all be luxury flats and stuff the low cost social units.
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Of Course
they care about Local Housing
that is the Foundation of all the Contracts.
Local housing plays a role in King Alfred, perhaps in a way that is not so clear to the public and may well influence the course of the project if not its viability.
However at the end of the day, King Alfred and Marina are developments
conceived to make money and designed to exploit the trendy expensive image some have chosen for Brighton & Hove. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6407 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 17:39:24
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Yes we are in the Current World
so in addition to Lots of Great New Housing
in 3 New sites
King Alfred,
New Marina,
Lewes Road,
Money must be made for it to all work.
Life In The City. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5292 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 17:44:19
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| Except that the money will be made by developers LTNS and it is the infra-structure that is needed to give it all a chance to work. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6407 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 17:46:52
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No Miriam
you are Gloom Person on this topic,
Time Will Tell. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5292 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 17:49:44
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Originally posted by long time no see
No Miriam
you are Gloom Person on this topic,
Time Will Tell.
Yes LTNS, time will ... Thing is though, who will recompense all those poor sods who will have moved into these 'slums' in the making by the time it starts speaking?
Life in Reality! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6407 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 18:21:19
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Slums?
You are far too negative to give a balanced viewpoint.
Life In The City. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5292 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 19:56:02
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Originally posted by long time no see
Slums?
You are far too negative to give a balanced viewpoint.
Life In The City.
We will just have to let time tell LTNS.
Remember all the hype about the New England Quarter BTW?
The aims?
To create a scheme that draws on the character and urban form of Brighton.
To help meet Brighton’s housing requirement and to support a resident population of at least 1,000.
To attract significant employment uses to create around 1,000 jobs.
To add to Brighton’s visitor attractions by including at least one good quality hotel and conference centre.
To create strong links to and beyond London Road and North Laine.
To create a fitting gateway to Brighton for travellers by road and rail.
To contribute to the revitalisation of London Road.
To encourage people to use alternatives to the car.
To achieve the highest standards of sustainable development.
In reality?
The buildings themselves sit incongruously and at odds with the surrounding area. Access to the station is narrow and at times dangerous, especially when you get contra-flow traffic.
The flats are cramped with 'paper-thin' walls and in some instances access to the refuse collection area is impossible.
Rats have however found that the insulation is easily removed to provide housing for an ever increasing rat population which is good news for all dispossessed rodents.
Did Brighton really need another hotel? Prior to the building of the Jury's Inn there were at least 78 Hotels and Guest-houses.
Has the New England Quarter really created such an increase in trade in the London Road? The way the site is designed I would not have thought that the London Road forms a natural part of the flow ... The site itself seems to be build looking inward towards itself and the station - maybe encouraging commuters?
The railroad? Out of Brighton!
Sustainable development for what? Of what?
Time will tell. Unfortunately, by the time it does it may well be too late. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
 Posted - 20/01/2008 : 20:25:54
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quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
We will just have to let time tell LTNS.
Remember all the hype about the New England Quarter BTW?
The aims?
To create a scheme that draws on the character and urban form of Brighton.
To help meet Brighton’s housing requirement and to support a resident population of at least 1,000.
To attract significant employment uses to create around 1,000 jobs.
To add to Brighton’s visitor attractions by including at least one good quality hotel and conference centre.
To create strong links to and beyond London Road and North Laine.
To create a fitting gateway to Brighton for travellers by road and rail.
To contribute to the revitalisation of London Road.
To encourage people to use alternatives to the car.
To achieve the highest standards of sustainable development.
In reality?
The buildings themselves sit incongruously and at odds with the surrounding area. Access to the station is narrow and at times dangerous, especially when you get contra-flow traffic.
The flats are cramped with 'paper-thin' walls and in some instances access to the refuse collection area is impossible.
Rats have however found that the insulation is easily removed to provide housing for an ever increasing rat population which is good news for all dispossessed rodents.
Did Brighton really need another hotel? Prior to the building of the Jury's Inn there were at least 78 Hotels and Guest-houses.
Has the New England Quarter really created such an increase in trade in the London Road? The way the site is designed I would not have thought that the London Road forms a natural part of the flow ... The site itself seems to be build looking inward towards itself and the station - maybe encouraging commuters?
The railroad? Out of Brighton!
Sustainable development for what? Of what?
Time will tell. Unfortunately, by the time it does it may well be too late.
Very interesting before and after.
Just to mention one point about alternatives to cars. When walking through there recently I felt like being in America where you are expected to drive everywhere. I did not find the area pedestrian friendly at all, never mind what it must be like for cyclists. Is this because some parts are still being built or just a **** development ?
And how many other wonderful aims have been concocted for the other half baked developments in the City ? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6407 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 20:28:30
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Rats are Every place.
And They are still building up
near the Station. |
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Daveb
Discworld
1884 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 20:40:34
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What exactly are these rats building near the station?
Rat City? |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5292 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 21:25:05
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Yes, they are still building near the station LTNS. More buildings with paper-thin walls and inaccessible bin storage areas. That does not alter the fact that the only access to the station is narrow with two extremely ill designed round-abouts very close to each other where visibility is extremely limited and not because of any ongoing building works.
Where are the 'green spaces' that the New England Quarter was supposed to have?
As for rats being everywhere ... you are right, they are. That does not mean however that we should be complacent about them setting up home within our walls so why should residents of the New England Quarter. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1164 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 22:28:49
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| The New England Quarter is so named because everything is very far from full-size. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5292 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 22:34:37
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| Except for the cost of an 'apartment' of course. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5292 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2008 : 22:48:02
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| A thought just came to me. With this 'requirement' for a percentage of all development over a certain size to be designated as 'social housing' ... surely this inflates the cost of the non social percentage artificially? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6407 Posts |
Posted - 22/01/2008 : 15:22:27
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Costs are changing by the Day.
The Market is going Down
But the Housing Projects carry on. |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1233 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 16:24:48
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| The owner of the Sackville Hotel site has gone belly up. So where does that leave that? If he can't make a go of that, what look-out for the King Alfred proposal? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6407 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 17:37:29
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Many backers are pulling out all over the place
it is normal in this New Labour Mess. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5292 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 17:44:57
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Many backers are pulling out all over the place
it is normal in this New Labour Mess.
Wasn't it the Conservatives that put through the King Alfred? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6407 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 18:24:56
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I am talking about backers now pulling out
since New Labour has proven to be Stupid over Northern Rock. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5292 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 18:44:33
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
I am talking about backers now pulling out
since New Labour has proven to be Stupid over Northern Rock.
Backers pulling out from the King Alfred development because of Northern Rock? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6407 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 19:05:08
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Many backers are pulling out of deals
due to no faith in Un Elected PM Brown
who is making the UK public pay for Northern Rock
that is Dumb
in this current Climate of Downsize.
Yes Miriam
what that Un Elected Fool does is make people
fear the markets.
Get pathetic New Labour Out. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5292 Posts |
Posted - 25/01/2008 : 19:18:40
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Many backers are pulling out of deals
due to no faith in Un Elected PM Brown
who is making the UK public pay for Northern Rock
that is Dumb
in this current Climate of Downsize.
Yes Miriam
what that Un Elected Fool does is make people
fear the markets.
Get pathetic New Labour Out.
Maybe LTNS ... however there were rumbles before the Northern Rock story broke. Methinks you'd have trouble putting the cart before the horse on this one.
Then again, seeing as it is you ... maybe not. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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