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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 13/07/2008 : 11:13:37
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| Maybe Control Panel put two and two together and came up with four. Namely most new builds are flats - and rather high-rise flats at that. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2823 Posts |
 Posted - 13/07/2008 : 12:08:41
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Most new builds on brown field site will be flats because they are more profitable for devolpers.
At least at KA no work has started and IF, we are lucky then some good may come from it. I susupect however it will fall into neglect and becomes even more of an eyesore.
Whereas the 300 new flats being built in Saltdean have come to a stop, half built. This eyesore will remain for some time.
Luckily it looks like all the social housing will be completed. Deep Joy! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Furzewick
Barsoom
United Kingdom
150 Posts |
Posted - 16/07/2008 : 10:45:43
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From B.O.B. in the Well, the i360 is coming topic
Will the agreement with Karis become nul and void if Gehry has pulled out and this scheme doesn't get built or have Karis now got hold of the site for the remainder of the lease? What have the Councillors signed away?
Yes, where do the council stand (along with council tax payers money) now the love fest with Gehry is over ?
The whole thing was promoted on the basis of how wonderful Gehry is (was) and what this would do for Brighton ??
Planning permission has been given so what does that mean now ? A sports centre ? A swimming pool ? A block of flats ? A hole in the ground ?
Building Design : Credit crunch threatens Gehry's Hove scheme
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=725&storycode=3117279&c=1&encCode=00000000017ba57c
BBC Retail slowdown hits construction
(Radio 4 File on 4 Radio programme)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7493831.stm
Background Information
http://www.datafilehost.com/download-23aa70c5.html
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 16/07/2008 : 17:09:31
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If Karis cannot build according to the plans for which permission was given, then it cannot have any claim upon the land.
Starting over... |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 16/07/2008 : 17:20:07
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| I wonder how much it wil cost us this time around? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2823 Posts |
Posted - 16/07/2008 : 17:30:19
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| Can I run a study? Good Rates! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 16/07/2008 : 17:33:21
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I'll do it for what he quotes minus 5%   |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Furzewick
Barsoom
United Kingdom
150 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2008 : 16:31:57
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Amongst the chaos that is now the Argus website (shameless copy/paste) :
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Chance to grill King Alfred scheme building chief
12:10pm Thursday 17th July 2008
The developer behind the £290 million King Alfred scheme will be answering readers’ questions in the next Friday Inquisition.
Josh Arghiros, of Karis Holdings, hopes to bring life to Frank Gehry’s vision for a new King Alfred Leisure Centre in Hove.
He will be sitting in The Argus hot seat answering questions on anything relating to the controversial development from 11.30am.
The long-awaited initiative includes more than 700 seafront homes and a replacement leisure centre and was approved by Brighton and Hove City Council last year. But its future was thrown into doubt when Mr Arghiros expressed fears an economic downturn could cause financiers ING to back down.
Still talk of 'Frank Gehry's vision'. No news from a recent visit to London reached the Argus ? |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 17/07/2008 : 20:59:16
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| Latest Homes has a page about "projects" still likely to go ahead but... the King Alfred is not mentioned. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2823 Posts |
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Furzewick
Barsoom
United Kingdom
150 Posts |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 29/07/2008 : 21:16:28
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| Well, I cannot say I am surprised. Utterly disgusted at the amount of money this fiasco has cost us though. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2823 Posts |
Posted - 29/07/2008 : 21:25:53
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All the latest failed or delayed projects have put enough money into the hands of consultants, lawyers and council expenses to build at least one of them. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 29/07/2008 : 22:05:51
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| And we will not see one single penny back! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Martha Gunn
Barsoom
255 Posts |
Posted - 30/07/2008 : 22:13:45
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Josh Arghiros is talking about 'sitting down with the council to disscuss the projects future'.
Given the underhand tactic employed by Karis which was aided by the Labour adminstration, I would hope that the Tory administration would bar Karis from ever setting foot inside a council building ever again.
This fiasco has cost the tax payer a huge amount of money, lined the pockets of consultants, deprived Brighton & Hove residents of sports complex that could rival (can you beleive it?) Burgess Hill & Crawley and exposed blatant corruption at work with the council. A particuarly mucky episode in Brighton & Hove's already murky government history.
A line should now be drawn under this with any new proposals for the site being drawn up on a much more managable level.
Yet again, this has exposed Brighton to be all mouth and no trousers. Where is Fanshawe these days? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 30/07/2008 : 22:39:32
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Brighton being all mouth and no trousers and Fanshawe all trousers and no mouth He has been conspicuous in his silence hasn't he.
(just as an interesting aside, when spellchecked 'Fanshawe' brings up the suggestion 'banshee'  ) |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1715 Posts |
Posted - 31/07/2008 : 10:47:33
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| Mrs Poppadum says that the council is considering other plans for the King Alfred, and is just going through the motions with Karis but has no intention of continuing with that firm which has made the council's reputation all the worse. |
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B.O.B.
Barsoom
106 Posts |
Posted - 31/07/2008 : 12:36:15
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| Thank goodness for that at least. Anyone want to design a nice eco friendly sports centre for Hove Seafront. What about the guy who did the library. |
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nightowl
Barsoom
290 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 09:57:03
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No future for big developments in Brighton only bus lanes on the coast road, at the cost of £1.8 million what a disaster.
Most of these sites screaming out for development will just be left to be neglected for decades, who wants to invest in Brighton with its self inflicted transport and infrastructure failures.
Change of council is a must now, but who do we vote for in May? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 10:11:56
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| I do quite a bit of driving around in Sussex. I am continually struck by the mess that Brighton is when compared with other locations. Why is it that Crawley manages that which appears to continually elude Brighton? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Martha Gunn
Barsoom
255 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 10:22:38
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Why is it that Crawley manages that which appears to continually elude Brighton?
Because Crawley does not have dellusions of grandeur and simply gets on with trying to provide decent services for its residents.
Brighton, on the other hand, believes itself to be the worlds #1 seaside resort - a culture that perpetuates itself right through Brighton & Hove Council.
This has resulted in millions spent looking at inherently unworkable schemes that has backfired now that the housing boom has ended. lets hope that when there is an economic upturn, there is a more realistic approach. Like, for example, building a brilliant leisure centre on the King Alfred funded by an acceptable, modern hosuing development within the site free of the whole Brad Pitt / Frank Ghery nonsense.
Its amazing that Brighton & Hove Council went all weak at the knees when a Hollywood actors name was casually dropped into the mix who, lets face it, probably couldn't point to Brighton on a map of the UK.
Isn't Brighton cheap and tacky still? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 10:40:49
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| Sadly Martha I cannot do anything else but agree with you wholeheartedly. I wish it were different and that this was not only a place I called home but a place that called me home; rather then just a beacon to tacky seaside tourism, pretentious architectural posturing and inept public services. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Furzewick
Barsoom
United Kingdom
150 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 11:50:47
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I agree with Martha Gunn's recent posts.
Somebody noted the silence from Fanshawe (probably now in his Scottish home town Edinburgh). However the 'delusions of grandeur' and the 'unworkable schemes' where obvious many years ago and well before the current economic circumstances. Where are the many people who without question supported this (and other) projects ?
Interesting that Gehry's recent comments about the Hove project are well documented but we still hear that they want him to redesign it. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2823 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 13:27:24
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I am sure this has been said before.
Brightons road system is inherently flawed. All roads lead to a hub on the coast, therefore access and exit are limited. By making the road even narrower with build outs and bus lanes flow can only decrease.
This will only improve if less people travel in by car which is possibly part of an ultimate plan to rid the roads of B&H of all cars? |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 13:36:48
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| Not really conducive with the promotion of Brighton as a resort of destination for the day trippers though is it? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1715 Posts |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 22/08/2008 : 07:56:48
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| I have said this before ... the Gehry buildings that were proposed for that poor site were merely rehashes of buildings he had put up elsewhere (Dallas being one place that jumps to mind). I doubt Gehry ever really had any personal involvement with B&H. Could he even find it on a map? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 31/08/2008 : 10:06:28
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| If the Edwardian swimming pool in Marshall Street, Soho, can be restored for re-opening in 2011, then perhaps it is not so very hard to make something of the current King Alfred. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 31/08/2008 : 10:52:25
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The thing is ... our council is far more focused on bringing tourism and businesses; not that their rather hotchpotch approach is doing much to attain that. Nah, there is not a single iota of political will regarding the improvement of facilities for local residents. What was it Martha Gunn said; something about style over substance? The trouble is that we have a strong executive and weak councillors who, in the main are more concerned with staying on the right side of the executive.
So there you have it, a load of paid employees who are so protected that they are never answerable for any of the grave errors of judgement or pure plain and simple inability to do the job they are paid for on the one hand. And a weak governing body in the shape of by and large - and with a few notable exceptions - councillors who are more concerned with advancing their political careers in their various parties then the residents they are supposed to represent. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2823 Posts |
Posted - 31/08/2008 : 10:58:15
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| If the council tried I am sure they could get a few million from the lottery fund to refurbish. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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King Alfred