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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
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 Posted - 08/04/2007 : 09:43:47
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I can't see people doing all this copying of letters to various GOSE officers. I should have thought one letter would then be sent by that person to the correct pile of paper.
Keep life simple!
I understand that the main reason to object is that it is a "departure application" - so many more flats than originally planned. Everything hinges on that. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/04/2007 : 09:50:48
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| That is the reason I gave for recalling the application. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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septicman
Alagaësía
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Posted - 09/04/2007 : 11:33:59
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| Just objecting will get you nowhere. Even if you can demonstrate that the decision has been made incorrectly through some procedural flaw etc., then it will be claimed to be in the national interest or some such nonsense. The rules and regulations don't apply to the people making the decisions, it would appear they can be mysteriously waived whenever they choose. |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1715 Posts |
Posted - 11/04/2007 : 08:54:33
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Does anybody know when GOSE will decide its point of view?
Must be about another week? |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1715 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2007 : 10:31:15
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| It emerges that, in the ordinary course of events, GOSE would decide its view on the King Alfred by the 22nd but, if necessary, it can take longer. That would perhaps be a good sign. |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1715 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2007 : 10:52:32
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There is another application in to build flats on the site of the tatty houses at the bottom of Vallance Gardens opposite the King Alfred.
I shouldn't think that this would be passed by the planning people, and who would want to buy a place in the shadow of those blocks at the side of a beltway? |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
81 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2007 : 17:13:13
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| If you scroll back to the 7th april on this topic you will see that i mentioned this already,it is an ugly cheap design and probably will not get passed.The "tatty"houses are tatty due to lack of maitenance,like the ka,a deliberate ploy to get them demolished.As for who will buy them,there will always be someone.The officer in charge is Luke Perkins,the same officer who was sidelined by martin randell at the king alfred meeting,an officer who had no experience in that field who took over to push the development through and had development control barred from the meeting.Also Luke Perkins has taken 6 weeks leave,there is no one replacing him so i would think this will be on the back burner of planning for a while.At present it is not even possible to get through to planning at the council,there are no signs of receipt from gose in the case file either. |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1715 Posts |
Posted - 13/04/2007 : 21:58:50
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| Had a look back. Original posting did not register with me, what it was exactly. I do not know about these people but it is a mystery why there should be another attempt on this site. They are the worst houses on the street, so, in theory, there could be something more interesting there but this is of course not it. |
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Nigel Furness
Alagaësía
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Posted - 17/04/2007 : 16:50:19
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I am startled that the application for the block of flats opposite the King Alfred in Vallance Gardens to replace some houses has come up before the Planning Commitee - next Wednesday afternoon - so quickly.
The Application has only just been advertised.
Me thinks it is another one they are trying to rush through before the Election... |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2007 : 18:01:20
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Sneaky!
Shows that Labour feels vulnerable it it needs to rush this through.
And so once again all eyes are on Councillor Watkins...
How full does his "full house" have to be to be full?
That phrase about the seafront is an intellectual nullity. It is phrasemaking, it is not thought.. |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1715 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2007 : 18:18:28
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Exactly!
If Councillor Watkins has pronounced it a "full house", he cannot vote for anymore on it.
"Full house" - looks as if hie is going to be haunted by that glib, ill-thought-out expression.
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
81 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2007 : 08:14:24
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| seems the report to committee was a rehash of the previous report.next weds will be interesting,may even be news from gose and minites of ka meeting.. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 18/04/2007 : 09:19:18
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Delia was shocked that no LibDems turned up for an important seminar this week with English Heritage about the nature of conservation areas and the buildings within them.
Word is that there is certainly not a preservation order on the LibDems anymore. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
81 Posts |
Posted - 19/04/2007 : 18:26:58
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quote:
Originally posted by birdy
seems the report to committee was a rehash of the previous report.next weds will be interesting,may even be news from gose and minites of ka meeting..
the report to committee recomends approval.Also,st catherines lodge will be decided at the same meeting,a 5 yr license will be recommended for approval.The place is not fit for anyone,yet b&h council pay a huge sum each month for rental of all the rooms yet only 50% is used.what is this council on?? |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 19/04/2007 : 20:23:58
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The residents in Vallance Gardens might do best to sell up to developers for blocks of flats. That is the way that road looks like going. But they should hold out for a decent sum - double the value of their houses. Rather than deal one by one, they should form a consortium. That way, something akin to St. Aubyn's could be built there with all the houses knocked down at once.
This is an approach which might also suit people who live in terraced houses. |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
 Posted - 20/04/2007 : 08:56:02
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From http://www.gscene.com/pdf/gsceneapril2007.pdf
If nothing else, you have to admire the Labour administration’s determination to
move the city forward very often in the face of controversy. Their support of the
King Alfred development will be seen as a defining moment when the history of
Brighton is written. Their attempts to develop the site despite a well organised
opposition campaign, which was at times bitter and twisted, has won them
considerable support from unexpected quarters. A ‘no’ to the King Alfred
development would have sent a negative signal out to every business considering
investing in Brighton and Hove.
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Martha Gunn
Barsoom
255 Posts |
Posted - 20/04/2007 : 09:14:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Control Panel
The residents in Vallance Gardens might do best to sell up to developers for blocks of flats. That is the way that road looks like going. But they should hold out for a decent sum - double the value of their houses. Rather than deal one by one, they should form a consortium. That way, something akin to St. Aubyn's could be built there with all the houses knocked down at once.
This is an approach which might also suit people who live in terraced houses.
A smaller version of what happened in Grand Avenue many years ago perhaps? Of course, those flats look great now don't they... |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 20/04/2007 : 09:24:52
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Of course the King Alfred could yet fail to go ahead if the opponents are astute in their dealings, with recourse to a good lawyer, and if that is the case then need not be a panic in Vallance Gardens.
But if the King Alfred gets built, nobody in a house would want to live in its shadow and the thing would be to sell for flats. |
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B.O.B.
Barsoom
106 Posts |
Posted - 20/04/2007 : 12:38:32
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| That is why this development for the King Alfred site is so ill conceived. It is just too big and too tall for the site. If it is built then it paves the way for tall flats all along Hove Seafront. |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 20/04/2007 : 22:37:26
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If there is to be any development of that order at the King Alfred, then why not one tower?
After all, this is what has just been agreed in Chicago.
In that tower are fitted as many people as the proposed mess at the King Alfred.
Go to this site and click on the link to Chicago.
http://www.shelbournedevelopment.com
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 21/04/2007 : 18:14:08
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The planning officer for Hove called Ian Coomber is leaving the Council.
He has had enough. The Council puts all these officers under great stress with such plans as the King Alfred - which will not go ahead in this form - and I thnk that other officers will be leaving in due course. |
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B.O.B.
Barsoom
106 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2007 : 10:01:51
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| Luke Perkins, planning officer who was dealing with KA then taken off it at last minute before the decision, is currently on six weeks holiday, I've heard. Maybe he'll go too. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2007 : 10:05:37
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| This is without a doubt one of the most questionable proposals ever put through. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2007 : 10:15:45
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| Maggie Brian - Development Control chief - is not at all happy with the situation either. I should not be surprised if she leaves. Also Paul Vidler. |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
81 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2007 : 17:55:48
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| 23rd april is now the official date of receipt of information from the council to gose.They now have 21 days to deliberate.Hopefully longer as our secretary of state can take longer if she wishes.This means an article 14 has been issued directing b&h council not to grant planning permission until a decision has been made. |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
 Posted - 23/04/2007 : 19:24:26
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Originally posted by birdy
23rd april is now the official date of receipt of information from the council to gose.They now have 21 days to deliberate.Hopefully longer as our secretary of state can take longer if she wishes.This means an article 14 has been issued directing b&h council not to grant planning permission until a decision has been made.
Just to be clear. Now that the wheels are moving, planning permission is not granted ? |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
81 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2007 : 21:03:04
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King Alfred
Posted - 20/04/2007 : 13:58:41