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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1715 Posts |
 Posted - 08/06/2007 : 21:23:35
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I see that there is a proposal now to knock down that nursing home near the King Alfred on the front called Lawnscroft, and the houses the other side of the hotel there look empty, with a boarding at the front wall. So I should think there will be an application for something there.
Can't see anybody getting too fussed about these proposals if they are reasonable.
They are not good buildings at present.
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2007 : 18:39:41
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As indicated in another topic, the one with gratuitous displays of this photo :
BBC 1
Building Britain
Mon 18 Jun, 10:35 pm - 11:05 pm 30mins
Journalist and broadcaster Simon Fanshawe makes a plea for people in his hometown to get excited about three high profile building projects that will radically alter Brighton's seafront.
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Martha Gunn
Barsoom
255 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2007 : 20:20:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Captain Hawkeye
As indicated in another topic, the one with gratuitous displays of this photo :
BBC 1
Building Britain
Mon 18 Jun, 10:35 pm - 11:05 pm 30mins
Journalist and broadcaster Simon Fanshawe makes a plea for people in his hometown to get excited about three high profile building projects that will radically alter Brighton's seafront.
From
http://tinyurl.com/2r66jm
Its not his hometown is it. Devizes is. Why dosen't he go back there and try out all his grandoise ideas rather than foistering them on us? |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2007 : 22:04:50
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Word in Labour circles is that effective opposition to the King Alfred was greatly diluted, being split among various groups - and none of them took legal advice.
Whether judicial review is viable remains to be seen. It is difficult to see that the Council has done anyting illegal over the King Alfred. Questionable, yes; illegal, very unlikely. But we await legal word on that, to be sure. |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2007 : 08:53:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Control Panel
Word in Labour circles is that effective opposition to the King Alfred was greatly diluted, being split among various groups - and none of them took legal advice.
Whether judicial review is viable remains to be seen. It is difficult to see that the Council has done anyting illegal over the King Alfred. Questionable, yes; illegal, very unlikely. But we await legal word on that, to be sure.
The situation is probably very murky legally. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2007 : 16:26:56
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It is very difficult to see what is illegal about the way in which the KA went forward. That would have been foolish of them. Anybody can say something is illegal, but to specify that is something else.
The grey area is that of being landowners and giving planning permission.
Most likely, in time, the KA will go ahead, but in another form. That is what Labour always expected.
Whetehr this ends up pleasing everybody is another matter. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2007 : 16:32:04
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| I agree, they've probably sailed pretty close to the wind and there is no doubt that they have not always stuck to the gist of the law but they certainly have not fallen foul of the letter. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2007 : 16:44:22
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Sue John has said there were several times when it looked as if the thing could have gone belly-up.
It is possible that they would not have been too rueful at that.
Let's just hope there isn't a branch of Greggs there or we'd never hear the last of it. |
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No Expert
Calaspia
612 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2007 : 16:53:28
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Yak!
Perhaps the KA should get LT on the payroll, then we'd get posts like this:
"the king alfred has started to be built
it will have flats and shops
the flats will be ideal for living, sleeping, eating and entertaining in
you could live alone, with a partner or with a family
the shops will have products in them
such as bread
Life in the king Alfred" |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2007 : 17:03:29
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In the summer, if you are rich,
you can open the balcony
and feed the gulls
with stale leftovers from Greggs.
The gulls will relieve themselves
on the poor people's windows.
Good fun in the city. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
7262 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2007 : 17:22:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Control Panel
In the summer, if you are rich,
you can open the balcony
and feed the gulls
with stale leftovers from Greggs.
The gulls will relieve themselves
on the poor people's windows.
Good fun in the city.
Shame you are not on that BBC1 Docu
by the Local Ponce. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 13/06/2007 : 18:06:17
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Josh A has conceded that the KA has quite a way to go, and the stumbling block is the surrounding one.
Changes are evidently necessary, and these should have the thing back at Planning before too long.
Too bad it cannot be started from scratch. Perhaps most people will not mind the towers but the other flats will hampr progress.
Could yet be that the off-site idea works out. Adam Trimingham is onto something in his Argus piece about Portslade. |
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flaming pie
Barsoom
101 Posts |
Posted - 14/06/2007 : 18:49:40
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quote:
Originally posted by Control Panel
Sue John has said there were several times when it looked as if the thing could have gone belly-up.
It is possible that they would not have been too rueful at that.
Let's just hope there isn't a branch of Greggs there or we'd never hear the last of it.
I take it she didn't say that in public - i reckon she would have been out of a job sooner if she had.
Does Sue John shop in Greggs?? |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1715 Posts |
Posted - 14/06/2007 : 18:56:09
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| She probably has to. No more of the Real Eating Company for her! Perhaps she gets day-old bread and toasts it? |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2007 : 17:31:30
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Even the King Alfred objectors invited to the advance screening of the Fanshawe film agreed that it was well made and interesting.
If nothing else, the film should continue to provoke discussion about these schemes which have a long way to go yet. |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
81 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2007 : 20:41:05
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| As a king alfred objector i feel slightly put out that i wasn't invited.Who has been invited?? |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 15/06/2007 : 22:56:55
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| A good lot of people, guess there was hardly room for everybody, it will be on television, but many opinions and it had a pleasant atmosphere, not the coarse battleground that this sort of thing can all too easily become. General agreement that so many of these proposals have such a way to go, and that some of them are better than others. |
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nightbird
Calaspia
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
7262 Posts |
Posted - 16/06/2007 : 04:29:07
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Originally posted by birdy
As a king alfred objector i feel slightly put out that i wasn't invited.Who has been invited??
The BBC select people they want
that way they have control and budget.
KA current design does not fit
with the area - that is the big error. |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1715 Posts |
Posted - 16/06/2007 : 10:12:33
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| LTNS is up early. He must be getting ready for the journey to be first in the queue at Greggs. |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1715 Posts |
Posted - 16/06/2007 : 13:22:29
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| Let's hope that nobody alarms the world by putting any of the Fanshawe programme on YouTube. They should have a measure of peace in a troubled world. |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 16/06/2007 : 15:19:54
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quote:
Originally posted by Infinite Poppadum
Let's hope that nobody alarms the world by putting any of the Fanshawe programme on YouTube. They should have a measure of peace in a troubled world.
Disagree : Lets hope it is on YouTube so Miriam can post it here.
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
7262 Posts |
Posted - 16/06/2007 : 15:42:48
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quote:
Originally posted by Infinite Poppadum
LTNS is up early. He must be getting ready for the journey to be first in the queue at Greggs.
I work shifts around 24/7.
Get a Life.
This thread is about the Mess of Brighton Council
and King Alfred.
Stay on Topic. |
Edited by - long time no see on 16/06/2007 15:43:28 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 16/06/2007 : 16:02:26
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
This thread is about the Mess of Brighton Council
and King Alfred.
Stay on Topic.
and not about his morals |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
7262 Posts |
Posted - 16/06/2007 : 16:11:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
This thread is about the Mess of Brighton Council
and King Alfred.
Stay on Topic.
and not about his morals
Bang On. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 16/06/2007 : 16:42:48
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
Bang On.
or his working hours |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2823 Posts |
Posted - 17/06/2007 : 07:47:39
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Here in the outback of Saltdean parking is relatively easy.
Part of the reason we moved out this way.
This will change when the 300 flats are built on the Ocean Hotel site.
There was little or no objection to the plans to my knowledge.
Interesting to see how the local doctors etc cope?
Similar to KA and the Marina in terms of an influx of people but at least the building is much less controversial. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 17/06/2007 : 09:44:43
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| Though I immensely dislike the building proposed for the KA site (and hardly think it the innovative icon people claim it to be seeing as Gehry has built similar buildings in other places around the world - Dallas being but one of them) my main objection is and will remain the stress it will put on an already stressed local infrastructure. That and the fact that Brighton & Hove City Council seem to take forward planning with regards to infrastructure as a bit of a fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants will ensure that the whole proposal will become a drain on already draining resources which we, the local tax payers, will pay for through our noses ... we and our children, those present and those to come. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1715 Posts |
Posted - 17/06/2007 : 09:54:40
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There are now more dogs than children in San Francisco. Perhaps that is the way things will go in B and H.
Will pets be allowed at the KA? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
7262 Posts |
Posted - 17/06/2007 : 10:14:38
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| How can they stop pets in that area? |
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