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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 08/07/2007 : 07:36:29
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Originally posted by B.O.B.
after watching the film about Frank Gehry I'd like to know how much of this current scheme has been designed by him. Just the towers I'd say and they are pretty bog standard for him looking at his other work. Why could not something been made of the position of the development right next to the sea. It could have been a very exciting building project. It looks almost pedestrian next to his other work and the surrounding blocks were surely not designed by him.
I'd like to see a picture of his original design which won the competition and which wowed the Councillors to compare with what we've got now.
Frank Gehry is a name that is used to add glamour to the project. Compared to his other wealthy clients, the Council cannot compete. It seems he was involved as a 'favour' to one or more backers of the project. Was King Alfred in the film ? |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
81 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 08:56:35
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| I doubt the King Alfred was in the film,the perimeter blocks were designed by piers gough(he was in fanshaw programme in the blue duffle coat)also the winning design is nothing like what we have ended up with.I wonder if he may even drop out of it once deal is signed,King Alfred demolished and karis sell the site. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 09:06:25
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Originally posted by birdy
I wonder if he may even drop out of it once deal is signed,King Alfred demolished and karis sell the site.
 Are you thinking Karis may not even build on the ruddy site when all's said and done but just sell the site to another developer? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
 Posted - 08/07/2007 : 09:17:58
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The problem is that the plans as proposed have never been adequately tested or subject to scrutiny.
There is no verification that the proposals are viable. Much has been taken on 'trust' and when a very limited degree of scrutiny was applied very recently we saw the reaction. As someone has noted already developer and council having a row at this stage is not a good omen. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 09:21:52
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| Bite the bullet, tell Karis to "publish and be damned" and start from scratch! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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B.O.B.
Barsoom
106 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2007 : 07:44:03
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There was a shot in the Gehry film of a woman in his office(definitely not Brad Pitt) using a glue gun or somesuch on a model of towers similsr to K.A. That is all. All the other structures used a lot of bent metal sheeting or glass and wood/metal looked much more interesting. The cancer centre in Scotland looked good.
I thought there was not much Frank Gehry input in the K.A. just from looking at the design and model.
It was obvious from the film that he was designing for some very wealthy clients as they would cost a lot to be built.
All this just to get a (not) free sports centre and the developer threatening to sue if he doesn't get his way.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2007 : 09:08:48
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| If/when they get built we could call them tantrum towers! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
81 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2007 : 14:10:14
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Looks like the weds 9.45 shoot-out may be a ticket event.The council is predicting a large attendance-karis will supply their rent-a-mob,so locals will be banished to the dark confines again,as they were in march.
'Tantrum towers'is a great name. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2007 : 15:40:45
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| No, bearing in mind Mr Arghiros's distinct lack of cool and the site's naval origins, Empty Vessels would be a better name. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2007 : 10:52:44
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| Excellent letter in today's Argus by Michael Ray about the King Alfred. The best item there has ever been during the saga. |
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birdy
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
81 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2007 : 15:35:26
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| I hope the letter is read by all involved.Let us hope they see sense tomorrow. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2007 : 18:53:33
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| It could be that tomorrow's meeting is designed to lull the developer into a false sense of security. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2007 : 19:00:21
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| Can someone provide a link to the letter? I've looked online but cannot find it. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Control Panel
Discworld
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FG1
Alagaësía
Wallis and Futuna Islands
45 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2007 : 13:36:54
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Go ahead given.
What can be done now to save Hove? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2007 : 13:43:02
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| Thank you control ... it certainly is a very fulsome letter. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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B.O.B.
Barsoom
106 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2007 : 16:10:11
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| Michael Ray was an excellent planning officer. I have had dealings with him in the past and he was always fair and reasoned in his judgements. It is a shame there is no one in planning of his calibur today. If the KA has been passed despite the overwhelming evidence against it being built, there is no hope for any sensible decisions being made anywhere else in Brighton and Hove regarding planning and building. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2007 : 16:42:27
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| I think that in the main we sort of have the impression that that is the case. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2007 : 20:48:22
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| Gill Mitchell is not entirely pleased that the King Alfred appears to be progressing. It is bringing more difficulties with it, and these have to be laid at her door. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2007 : 21:21:58
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Originally posted by Control Panel
Gill Mitchell is not entirely pleased that the King Alfred appears to be progressing.
Have we by any chance uncovered the sole single positive aspect to this whole debacle? |
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Martha Gunn
Barsoom
255 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2007 : 22:13:19
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Have we by any chance uncovered the sole single positive aspect to this whole debacle?
It's a Gehry sweetie so its going to be splendid.
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2007 : 12:41:10
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From Topic : Brighton & Hove MP
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Originally posted by Control Panel
MP candidate for Hove Mike Wetherly is perturbed by the way in which the King Alfred controversy might reflect on him.
Every Council official and councillor along with everyone else who had a hand in this affair should be perturbed. This reflects badly on all of them.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2007 : 13:46:22
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Originally posted by Martha Gunn
It's a Gehry sweetie so its going to be splendid.
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
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Posted - 18/07/2007 : 10:09:40
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| Mrs Poppadum has just rung to say that there is a piece in Private Eye called Load of Josh about the KA. It looks like collapsing, there's no money to build it. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6640 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2007 : 10:17:20
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WHAT Is Karis really going to force the council to hand over the rights to the site and then sell it on, at a handsome profit, after all?
On the other hand, maybe BHCC could now sue Karis for leading it on with false promises  
Okay, ignore this post ... I was just having a flight of fancy moment. |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2007 : 10:33:28
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
WHAT Is Karis really going to force the council to hand over the rights to the site and then sell it on, at a handsome profit, after all?
On the other hand, maybe BHCC could now sue Karis for leading it on with false promises
Okay, ignore this post ... I was just having a flight of fancy moment.
As far as I know there are three parties involved in the King Alfred project as proposed : Karis, ING and Brighton & Hove Council. The Council tries to behave as if it has separated the role of 'developer' and planning authority. We can debate how effective this has been and it should certainly be subject to a lot of scrutiny or even legal process. The connections between the parties is governed by a 'secret' agreement. The details of this probably brought to the attention of the new Conservative Group which may account for the recent goings on with Section 106 approval etc.
Having entered into an agreement (anyone remember that happening ?), the Council might now find itself with 0 room to manoeuvre. This may have been intentional by those who conceived this ill thought out escapade. |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2007 : 16:44:18
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| Keith Taylor has paid the price for not taking a stronger anti-King Alfred line. His dithering approach caused a split in the Greens and Caroline Lucas has been chosen as MP candidate for Pavilion. |
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septicman
Alagaësía
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Posted - 18/07/2007 : 17:53:39
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I assume any agreement signed by a previous administration is legally binding on those that come afterwards.
It does surprise me that the Greens don't make more fuss about some of the proposed developments in the city though. I suppose politically they can't afford to? |
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Captain Hawkeye
Barsoom
United Kingdom
391 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2007 : 18:02:48
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Originally posted by septicman
I assume any agreement signed by a previous administration is legally binding on those that come afterwards.
It does surprise me that the Greens don't make more fuss about some of the proposed developments in the city though. I suppose politically they can't afford to?
Talking about the Green Party, why not re-visit something from them dated September 2003 :
http://www.brightonandhovegreenparty.org.uk/h/n/NEWS/press_releases/ALL/13// |
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Control Panel
Discworld
1504 Posts |
Posted - 18/07/2007 : 20:29:25
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A useful reminder, Captain.
So why have the Greens now allowed there to be housing apartheid? High rollers in the towers and plebs in the surrounding blocks? |
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King Alfred