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FUBAR
Barsoom
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 Posted - 08/10/2007 : 17:36:28
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http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1287361,00.html
Cops Called As Protesters Blockade Airport |Sky News|UK News
So how far will they go? And I don't mean for their holidays. Do your beliefs over-ride others who don't believe as you? At least they shouldn't be crashing jets as the carbon released would make a mockery of their cause. Modern evangelists for the new religion.......
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I came into the world with nothing and still have most of it left.. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 17:44:03
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Protesters
are not Terrorists.
You need to change your heading
it is the wrong Word.
They left without a charge,
not worthy of a Story. |
Edited by - long time no see on 08/10/2007 17:48:10 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/10/2007 : 17:46:06
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Wastrels and charlatans the lot of 'em. Did they walk to the airport? Did they make sure that the police that would be sent for once they stopped people from going about their lawful business did not leave a carbon footprint by arriving on bikes? Their action has done nothing more then gain them some cheap publicity, increase the sum total of carbon foot-printing in the area that morning and irritate a lot more individuals.
If they really believed in what they were trying to do they would find an efficient and effective way to achieve their aims without this act of sheer arrogant holier then thou'ing. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 17:49:13
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
They left without a charge,
not worthy of a Story.
Skynews thought otherwise. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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gcrkfrd
Barsoom
USA
401 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 17:52:06
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AMERICAN BY BIRTH, UNION BY CHOICE |
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FUBAR
Barsoom
425 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 18:03:33
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A terrorist is a protester , the only difference is how far they are willing to go......... |
I came into the world with nothing and still have most of it left.. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 18:03:47
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Originally posted by gcrkfrd
LT thought otherwise----FACT
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 18:06:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
They left without a charge,
not worthy of a Story.
Skynews thought otherwise.
You do not understand.
They reported as it went down &
as a better Service than the Downsized BBCNews
Ar least we are able to view these Stupid Eco Folks.
FACT. |
Edited by - long time no see on 08/10/2007 18:26:13 |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 18:08:23
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quote:
Originally posted by FUBAR
A terrorist is a protester , the only difference is how far they are willing to go.........
Wrong,
Terrorist's Murder.
Your heading is Wrong 100%. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 18:33:33
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Originally posted by long time no see
Wrong,
Terrorist's Murder.
Your heading is Wrong 100%.
Wrong ... terrorists terrorise ... murder is incidental. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 19:10:52
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For Sure
and these folks just held people up
in a Demo.
FACT. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 19:11:55
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The way Fubar talks
is like a Mad American talking
or
of course, FoxNews Live. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 19:14:17
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quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
For Sure
and these folks just held people up
in a Demo.
FACT.
Oh ... you mean like the post office workers pickets?
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 08/10/2007 : 19:35:47
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| They are not in the Airport? |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2007 : 12:28:38
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I don't think Green Peace casue Terror in anyone, which is the meaning of the word is it not? Although under new anti-terroist legislation many protests have been held, so perhaps the title is more fitting in these days where the government cracks down on political dissent.
The government is being woefully inadequate in tackling climate change and our parlimentary 'democracy' is a joke. No wonder people take to direct action when our politicans fail to represent our views and instead pander to the needs of big buissness and the airline industry.
Mim you can't make an omelete with breaking eggs. People use carbon in convential means of lobbying such as the Big Ask campaign which is calling on MPs to bring in a tough Climate change bill. Environmental protests have helped put green issues on the political map. Perhaps if politicans had listerned to scientific opnion in the first place then there wouldn't have been a need! |
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FUBAR
Barsoom
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Posted - 10/10/2007 : 16:02:04
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Whose opinion, those you agree with or those you don't? Does a belief in the Eco-religion give them the right to stop others from doing something that isn't illegal and that they paid for. Flying isn't against the law, (yet) so the protesters were wrong and should be punished. I don't believe in global warming so why does my opinion mean less that yours, or can I stop someone doing something green I don't agree with as well and get your support for my rights...... |
I came into the world with nothing and still have most of it left.. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2007 : 16:49:49
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Originally posted by moon23
Mim you can't make an omelete with breaking eggs.
In the good old spirit of 'the end justifies the means'? ... Whatever floats your boat Moon, personally I think there are far more effective ways of tackling environmental concerns and adding to the problem while at the same time stopping people from going about their lawful business is more about 'hey look at me, I care!' then about tackling the issues. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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FUBAR
Barsoom
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2007 : 10:29:09
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quote:
Originally posted by FUBAR
ooops........
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/british-judge-bruises-al-gores-movie/?hp
British Judge Bruises Al Gores Movie - The Lede - Breaking News - New York Times Blog
Oh well so it's not all fact, sometimes fiction is better than the truth..........
Al Gore's award-winning climate change documentary was littered with nine inconvenient untruths, a judge has ruled |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2007 : 13:22:19
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quote:
Originally posted by FUBAR
Whose opinion, those you agree with or those you don't? Does a belief in the Eco-religion give them the right to stop others from doing something that isn't illegal and that they paid for. Flying isn't against the law, (yet) so the protesters were wrong and should be punished. I don't believe in global warming so why does my opinion mean less that yours, or can I stop someone doing something green I don't agree with as well and get your support for my rights......
There is no such thing as an eco-religion... that's just a pathetic attempt to try and paint Hard science about climate change as some kind of system of belief.
Unlike God or Climate change can be proved and it is happening. Your opionion means less because it can be disproven by a wealth of scientific evidence.
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Daveb
Earthsea
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 13:29:25
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Ancient Egptians had a sun god.
Romans had a god of the sea.
I believe native American indians and others considered wind, fire, water to be gods.
So there has always been eco-religion.
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We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2007 : 13:30:39
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Originally posted by moon23
There is no such thing as an eco-religion... that's just a pathetic attempt to try and paint Hard science about climate change as some kind of system of belief.
Unlike God or Climate change can be proved and it is happening. Your opionion means less because it can be disproven by a wealth of scientific evidence.
What hard science? So far we have theories and suppositions dependent on the initial acceptance of non-proven premises that climatic change is not natural and normal.
And that is why it can be likened to a religion. In fact I would go further and say that is what it has in common with religion. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 13:31:03
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quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
quote:
Originally posted by moon23
Mim you can't make an omelete with breaking eggs.
In the good old spirit of 'the end justifies the means'? ... Whatever floats your boat Moon, personally I think there are far more effective ways of tackling environmental concerns and adding to the problem while at the same time stopping people from going about their lawful business is more about 'hey look at me, I care!' then about tackling the issues.
Mim CO2 is released in the production of information leaflets about how people can reduce their CO2 emissions. Perhaps the government should ban these, becuase according to your logic you shouldn't release any CO2..
Sometimes you need to use a little bit of energy to save a lot. Sometimes the ends to justify the means. |
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 13:35:42
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quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
quote:
Originally posted by moon23
There is no such thing as an eco-religion... that's just a pathetic attempt to try and paint Hard science about climate change as some kind of system of belief.
Unlike God or Climate change can be proved and it is happening. Your opionion means less because it can be disproven by a wealth of scientific evidence.
What hard science? So far we have theories and suppositions dependent on the initial acceptance of non-proven premises that climatic change is not natural and normal.
And that is why it can be likened to a religion. In fact I would go further and say that is what it has in common with religion.
Mim it's not my fault you are too dim to understand the differeance between a scientific theory and religous belief.
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Daveb
Earthsea
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 13:36:53
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| By protesting the protesters emit more CO2 than if they were chilling out and meditating. The also cause the police and press to follow them which uses more energy. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2007 : 13:36:54
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quote:
Originally posted by moon23
Sometimes you need to use a little bit of energy to save a lot. Sometimes the ends to justify the means.
Now where have I heard that before? Ah yes ... good old Machiavelli. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 13:38:48
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quote:
Originally posted by Miriam Binder
quote:
Originally posted by moon23
Sometimes you need to use a little bit of energy to save a lot. Sometimes the ends to justify the means.
Now where have I heard that before? Ah yes ... good old Machiavelli.
Ok Mim so hypothetical you would shoot a terrorist with a tazer if you were certain they were about press a button to nuke a country.
Sometimes you need to cause harm to prevent it. |
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 13:41:22
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Originally posted by Daveb
By protesting the protesters emit more CO2 than if they were chilling out and meditating. The also cause the police and press to follow them which uses more energy.
True, but 'chilling out' didn't get climate change on the political agenda...
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/10/2007 : 13:46:44
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Originally posted by moon23
Ok Mim so hypothetical you would shoot a terrorist with a tazer if you were certain they were about press a button to nuke a country.
Sometimes you need to cause harm to prevent it.
There is a huge difference between reacting to a situation and provoking a situation Moon. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2007 : 13:59:49
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| Yep and climate change requires people of action. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5812 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2007 : 14:01:25
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Originally posted by moon23
Yep and climate change requires people of action.
No, climate change requires nothing. It is people that require action. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Eco Terrorists