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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/11/2007 : 19:54:07
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| I know ... but Fluffy, what with the housing crisis, and believe me there is a housing crisis, there is very little else available. Having said that, these girls ... and yes they are girls ... are a very small and relatively insignificant when we look at what is proposed regarding the 'easing' of the process for abortion as per the report referred to at the beginning of this thread. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1197 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2007 : 20:11:54
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| OK, Mim, that`s true too. |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
 Posted - 05/12/2007 : 08:07:11
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The Department of Health has agreed to the trials at two unnamed hospitals that are now performing abortions using drugs in “non-traditional settings” — similar to GP practices.
An evaluation will be completed early next year. If successful, the scheme will be expanded to other locations, including doctors’ surgeries. Later it could extend to surgical abortions as well.
here
The secrecy appals me. Sadly though I can fully understand the need for secrecy considering the misplaced fervour of the anti-abortion campaigners. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 09:18:11
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'The secrecy appals me'
On this
with Total Nutters going around saying 'Save the Baby'
there is no other way.
Life In The City.
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Anubis
Barsoom
315 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 09:46:52
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| I look forward to some views from MB and FS on the "local surgery" abortions under trial. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 11:56:11
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| Difficult to give any views on the 'local surgery' abortions Anubis, seeing as they are conducted in secrecy. As for my general views on abortion, they are earlier on on this thread. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 13:24:33
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This is will be a clever test case
with this New Chemical Abortion
it will get better for everyone.
Life In the Fast Lane. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 13:39:32
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Originally posted by long time no see
This is will be a clever test case
with this New Chemical Abortion
it will get better for everyone.
Life In the Fast Lane.
Better for everyone? How exactly LTNS? What is better about aborting? Do you honestly think that abortion is a soft option? Do you really think that abortion is only a medical procedure, like pulling a tooth? Do you know the various risks involved in abortion? This whole attempt to downgrade abortion to a 'quick trip' down to the local surgery is purely a cost cutting exercise and nothing more ... regardless of what spin they put on it. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 13:44:19
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Yes Miriam better for everyone
many under age girls will use this,
their parents will be kept out of it.
Of course it is nothing like pulling a tooth,
you seem to have so much anger on this topic
but the UK has far too many young girls getting knocked up.
FACT. |
Edited by - long time no see on 05/12/2007 13:45:06 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 13:55:16
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Originally posted by long time no see
Yes Miriam better for everyone
many under age girls will use this,
their parents will be kept out of it.
Of course it is nothing like pulling a tooth,
you seem to have so much anger on this topic
but the UK has far too many young girls getting knocked up.
FACT.
No, young girls will not use this without their parents knowledge. Thank you Victoria! ... and it is not right that young girls should face abortion, even the quickie way, without the support and time that they need to understand fully what is happening.
Anger does not come in to this LTNS so don't even go there laddie. We are not talking about the morning after pill here. We are talking about chemically induced miscarriage. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 14:49:07
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Originally posted by long time no see
but the UK has far too many young girls getting knocked up.
FACT.
If the UK has far too many young girls getting 'knocked up' as you so charmingly put it, we seem to have a rather lot of males that do not seem to care where their seed goes.
The issue of youth pregnancy is not a single gender issue LTNS. The last time I looked it still took two, one of each gender. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 14:56:37
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
quote:
Originally posted by long time no see
but the UK has far too many young girls getting knocked up.
FACT.
If the UK has far too many young girls getting 'knocked up' as you so charmingly put it, we seem to have a rather lot of males that do not seem to care where their seed goes.
The issue of youth pregnancy is not a single gender issue LTNS. The last time I looked it still took two, one of each gender.
For sure a Bloke Knocks her Up,
but then moves on
because of that.
Why these Youth Girls won't use Condoms? - is crazy
but that is the way it sadly goes in the
Chav Youth Knock Up
Market place.
Sign Of The Times. |
Edited by - long time no see on 05/12/2007 15:31:40 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 15:58:18
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Originally posted by long time no see
For sure a Bloke Knocks her Up,
but then moves on
because of that.
Why these Youth Girls won't use Condoms? -
I would have thought that it is a male's responsibility just as much LTNS |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 16:03:41
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That just proves how
out of date
you are. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 16:09:52
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Originally posted by long time no see
That just proves how
out of date
you are.
What is out of date LTNS? Hoping that the male of the species is as accountable for his actions as the female of the species? I didn't realise that the male was such a tender little budling that needed protecting from himself. I, in my rather egalitarian way I'll admit, tended to assume that they, the male of the species, was as capable and self accountable as the female of the species. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 16:13:51
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It does not matter what your old type view is,
a modern girl has condoms in her bag.
Sadly the Youth Chav Girls
do not care.
Life In The City. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 16:48:04
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Originally posted by long time no see
It does not matter what your old type view is,
a modern girl has condoms in her bag.
Sadly the Youth Chav Girls
do not care.
Life In The City.
Okay LTNS, having very nicely once again trawled your prejudices and misogyny all over this thread, lets get back to the topic at hand which is ... Lowering the threshold for abortion as a medical procedure. |
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Posted - 05/12/2007 : 17:30:41
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| I agree with you LTNS females should take full responsibility for their own bodies. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 17:41:51
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The Department of Health has agreed to the trials at two unnamed hospitals that are now performing abortions using drugs in “non-traditional settings” — similar to GP practices.
An evaluation will be completed early next year. If successful, the scheme will be expanded to other locations, including doctors’ surgeries. Later it could extend to surgical abortions as well.
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The secrecy appals me. Sadly though I can fully understand the need for secrecy considering the misplaced fervour of the anti-abortion campaigners.
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Posted - 05/12/2007 : 20:44:02
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
Sadly though I can fully understand the need for secrecy considering the misplaced fervour of the anti-abortion campaigners.
Describing another view as "misplaced fervour" reveals your prejudice. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 20:53:25
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The Department of Health has agreed to the trials at two unnamed hospitals that are now performing abortions using drugs in “non-traditional settings” — similar to GP practices.
An evaluation will be completed early next year. If successful, the scheme will be expanded to other locations, including doctors’ surgeries. Later it could extend to surgical abortions as well.
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The secrecy appals me. Sadly though I can fully understand the need for secrecy considering the misplaced fervour of the anti-abortion campaigners.
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Posted - 05/12/2007 : 21:29:10
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Describing another view as "misplaced fervour" reveals your prejudice. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 21:31:22
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The Department of Health has agreed to the trials at two unnamed hospitals that are now performing abortions using drugs in “non-traditional settings” — similar to GP practices.
An evaluation will be completed early next year. If successful, the scheme will be expanded to other locations, including doctors’ surgeries. Later it could extend to surgical abortions as well.
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The secrecy appals me. Sadly though I can fully understand the need for secrecy considering the misplaced fervour of the anti-abortion campaigners.
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Posted - 05/12/2007 : 21:41:11
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 21:46:05
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The Department of Health has agreed to the trials at two unnamed hospitals that are now performing abortions using drugs in “non-traditional settings” — similar to GP practices.
An evaluation will be completed early next year. If successful, the scheme will be expanded to other locations, including doctors’ surgeries. Later it could extend to surgical abortions as well.
here
The secrecy appals me. Sadly though I can fully understand the need for secrecy considering the misplaced fervour of the anti-abortion campaigners.
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Posted - 05/12/2007 : 22:01:52
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
1197 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 22:05:00
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I agree that females, even young teenage females, should take full responsibility for their own bodies...and SO SHOULD MALES!
It`s good that girls are able to be prepared by being the ones who carry condoms, rather than being at the mercy of the male to remember to obtain them, as used to be the case! However, it is still the male who will end up wearing the things, isn`t it?!
It isn`t just the contraceptive aspect, it`s the sexually transmitted diseases - simple, nasty chlamidia can cause sterility, ectopic pregnancy (which still KILLS too many women) and salpingitis - painful inflammation and scarring of fallopian tubes. I`d wish more young girls were aware of this as well as the risk of unwanted pregnancy, or the chance of getting a council house/flat!
As for downgrading abortion, I am strongly against the downgrading and cost-cutting policies in all aspects of health care, and this is no exception.
Also, "Prevention is better than Cure", in terms of physical and emotional pain, and also in terms of financial cost. This applies whether we are talking about pregnancy or pressure sores, and also diseases which can be innoculated against.
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Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 22:10:18
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| The problem with the abortion issue is that it is regarded primarily as a female issue, as this thread and some of the respondents clearly demonstrate. Where as in fact it is an issue for all. |
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Posted - 05/12/2007 : 22:22:03
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| No, it's to do with the female unable to take responsibilty for their actions. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6016 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 22:37:30
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The problem with the abortion issue is that it is regarded primarily as a female issue, as this thread and some of the respondents clearly demonstrate. Where as in fact it is an issue for all.
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victory for science???