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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
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 Posted - 01/11/2007 : 15:00:08
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You would have thought. In this case I am not sure I agree. This is, to my mind, yet another kick in the teeth for the Menezes family.quote:
The Metropolitan Police unnecessarily put the public at risk in chasing Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes across the city, a jury decided.
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nightowl
Barsoom
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Posted - 01/11/2007 : 16:30:39
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| This was a serial failure of organisation, training, tactics and resourcing which endangered the public and killed an Innocent man, do the right thing and resign Sir Ian Blair...... |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6457 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 16:31:54
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No Scottish Brown
has backed him up 100%. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2007 : 16:37:20
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Originally posted by long time no see
No Scottish Brown
has backed him up 100%.
No Scottish Brown? Know any other Browns that have then? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2007 : 08:53:37
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Well, it looks like Met Chief Ian Blair is fighting more then nausea.
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Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, insisted that he would not resign despite an Old Bailey jury verdict that his force conducted an error-strewn operation that ended in the death of Jean Charles de Menezes. The fallout from the Stockwell Tube shooting is set to continue and Sir Ian faces a battle to retain public confidence
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And I hope he takes it on the chin and walks!
Menezes is never going to get any justice. But I want to see the back of Sir Ian largely because of the way the Met handled this whole horrendous fiasco not so much before the shooting but after. They lied, they started a 'smear campaign' on the poor victim and compounded injury by insult in numerous other ways.
Horrendously unfortunate as the whole sorry saga is I for one would have backed the police to the hilt had they but had the decency to admit that they over-reacted - which, considering this was but shortly after a failed but large scale suicide attack would have been rather unprofessional but, in human terms I suppose, understandable.
What happened to Menezes was nothing short of executionary style murder. What happened after was nothing short of a most blatantly duplicitous attempt to manipulate public opinion to cover his own backside. And for that, I want to see that particular backside waddling out the door never to return! |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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nightowl
Barsoom
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Posted - 02/11/2007 : 10:00:53
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All this sad saga should never have happened, the driving down of professionalism, training and man power over the years to save money just makes horror stories like this more likely in the future.
The police deny there was a shoot to kill policy just as they did in northern Ireland and then to lie deceive and smear the innocent victim is something we do not expect from the Met at any time.
Sir Ian has no Honour or morals, to cling on to his job as Commissioner of the most abysmal operational failure the police have had is obscene and treats the general public with complete contempt.
Sir Ian has to go.......
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6457 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2007 : 10:13:42
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This has gone on too long
if he wet months ago
this would have been over.
But with Scottish Brown PM
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/11/2007 : 10:27:13
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 10:48:01
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In its final report into the death of Jean Charles de Menezes, the IPCC said the shooting came after 'very serious' but avoidable mistakes.
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And now it is calling for a public debate into the policy of shooting suspected suicide bombers on sight.
Well, I would welcome any public debate on the policy of shooting on sight. Whether we can in effect specify that this is only in relation to 'suspected suicide bombers' will lead us no further forward because as this de Menezes case has only to clearly demonstrated, a suspicion is something that is hard to quantify in any concrete manner. |
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nightowl
Barsoom
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Posted - 08/11/2007 : 12:06:34
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What will it take for Sir Ian Blair to take the blame and step down, despite denials of a shoot to kill policy and the obstruction of the enquiry when it started he is still there.
What ever happened to democracy and public accountability ! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6457 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 12:16:43
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Public Accountability
under Un-Elected Scottish Brown?
New Labour can Never be trusted. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 12:31:40
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Originally posted by long time no see
Public Accountability
under Un-Elected Scottish Brown?
New Labour can Never be trusted.
I remember the thread on the now defunct old Argus Forums where a certain poster was 100% behind this shooting of an innocent man. Even failing to read anything untoward in the discharging of 7+ bullets at close range into one individual. (though admittedly at the time we were only aware of 5 bullets) |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6457 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 12:36:15
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 12:41:46
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Originally posted by long time no see
So what.
So nothing ...
Things change, people change ... opinions alter  |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6457 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 13:35:25
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What has that got to do
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 13:40:41
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Originally posted by long time no see
What has that got to do
with MY reply to Nightowl.
That is up to you really |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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nightowl
Barsoom
249 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 14:34:05
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Daveb
Discworld
1896 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 19:41:42
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Hi!
I'm new here can someone explain? |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5323 Posts |
Posted - 08/11/2007 : 20:20:47
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When this whole Menezes thing hit the headlines we were still on the old Argus forums. We received a blow by blow account of newsflashes and FACTS. Jean Charles de Menezes was judged guilty purely because he was 'chased' ... which later on was amended to followed and pursuit was not engaged till he ran for his train. The real point to all this being that certain posters, who shall remain nameless but will recognise themselves, were all gung ho, tally ho and with the scent of blood lust in their noses, could see no wrong.
It's just funny to see the effects of voluntary amnesia .... |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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