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Posted - 23/05/2007 : 10:55:50
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Yes and they still live in camps and are still not citizens of the country they are born in,
with the exception of Jordan.
Unfortunately for the palestinians the only country they could be free in is
whats left of palestine, but they are not even allowed to go back there.
They have to make a deal with Israel who are tough and will give little,
but a little is better than what their present situation is. |
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Miriam Binder
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 Posted - 23/05/2007 : 11:13:49
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Originally posted by avro
Yes and they still live in camps and are still not citizens of the country they are born in,
with the exception of Jordan.
Exactly so, they still live in camps and who keeps these third and fourth generation residents in camps ... the very countries whose purpose it serves to keep a large section of humanity as displaced people.
Ever thought why Jordan is the exception? |
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Edited by - Miriam Binder on 23/05/2007 20:06:52 |
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nightbird
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long time no see
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Posted - 23/05/2007 : 19:47:33
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Ch4 News showed a bloodbath
that went down. |
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Posted - 23/05/2007 : 22:51:46
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Mir palestinians cannot get into their land without permission from the israelis
and the israelis do not want them there.
What a mess |
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nightbird
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Posted - 23/05/2007 : 22:58:19
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Miriam Binder
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Posted - 24/05/2007 : 00:58:14
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Originally posted by avro
Mir palestinians cannot get into their land without permission from the israelis
and the israelis do not want them there.
What a mess
Yes, well funny that ... still I suppose that trying to walk in with loads of explosives strapped to your chest would make even the most hospitable think twice about asking you in. |
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Posted - 24/05/2007 : 10:31:34
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Night bird, that is one problem that already exists in Syria.
In Syria 110,450 palestinian refugees in camps and 306,896 not in camps.
That makes 417,346 palestinian refugees in Syria,
there is bound to be so called syrian involvement
in Lebanon, but a lot of it is from palestinians in Syria.
http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/mepp/new_prrn/background/index.htm
Mir, the israelis do not want a return of palestinian refugees to Palestine.
That which is the palestinian part, the bit on the other side of the wall. |
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Miriam Binder
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Posted - 24/05/2007 : 20:48:58
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Originally posted by avro
Mir, the israelis do not want a return of palestinian refugees to Palestine.
That which is the palestinian part, the bit on the other side of the wall.
Avro, would you welcome into your home someone who has publicly proclaimed that he wants to see you and your family blown to smithereens? Maybe you would, maybe you would hand then the fuse and even light it for them. |
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Posted - 24/05/2007 : 23:57:01
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Mir, exactly Israel does consider all of palestine to be under Israel jurisdiction, and
in fact it is. Of course israel does not want millions of refugees returning to the palestinian side of the wall. |
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Miriam Binder
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Posted - 25/05/2007 : 00:25:36
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Originally posted by avro
Mir, exactly Israel does consider all of palestine to be under Israel jurisdiction, and
in fact it is. Of course israel does not want millions of refugees returning to the palestinian side of the wall.
You know it would be nice if just once in a while you actually bothered to respond to posts as they stand instead of just going on in your bigoted way. |
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Posted - 25/05/2007 : 11:01:49
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Mir You dont understand the answer to your question.
Again israel considers all of palestine to be its home.
IE, It is as if I considered all of goldstone road to be under my jurisdiction instead one terraced maisonette.
Hamas voters are not necessarily Islamic fanatics (some of them are even Christians), but are all fed-up with the Fatah-led corruption. This notorious corruption is partly of a Palestinian brand, partly inspired by Israel and the Oslo system: quite a few Israelis made a fortune by dubious businesses with corrupt Palestinian monopoly owners, monopolies granted by Arafat to win his clique's support. The Palestinians used the democratic elections to punish the corrupt party.
http://www.antiwar.com/hacohen/?articleid=8501
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Miriam Binder
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Posted - 25/05/2007 : 12:09:29
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Oh I understand the answer alright Avro, I just don't happen to think that it addresses the post you are repsonding to but then very few if any of your posts do so that isn't surprising.
When you start showing an inkling of understanding of the Middle East I might start taking your posts seriously. Until then, they are just the ravings of a bigot. |
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Miriam Binder
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Posted - 25/05/2007 : 12:13:22
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Oh I understand the answer alright Avro, I just don't happen to think that it addresses the post you are responding to but then very few if any of your posts do so that isn't surprising.
When you start showing an inkling of understanding of the Middle East I might start taking your posts seriously. Until then, they are just the ravings of a bigot.
I see though that you do know how to post links. Surprising therefore that you appear incapable of that with regards to your Vietnamese posts. Still, once a bigot ... |
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Borninhove
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Posted - 26/05/2007 : 03:48:46
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And just in case you have forgotten who is encouraging a fair amount of the trouble in Lebanon:
Ahmadinejad "If this year you repeat the same mistake of the last year, the ocean of nations of the region will get angry and will cut the root of the Zionist regime from its stem"
This would be the same "ocean of nations of the region" that is so keen on seeing Ahmadinejad-led Iranian dominance of the Middle East, is it?
Meanwhile, Ahmadinejad's puppet has been allowed out of his hiding place for a while, to tell the (elected) government of Lebanon (that's the one the people wanted, not the one Nasrallah's thugs have been trying to foist upon them) that they should not "cross the red line" and wipe out the small group of jihadists that have decided to exploit the Palestinian refugees (oh, there's a surprise) and make their lives hell.Says the puppet:quote:
"Does it concern us that we start a conflict with al-Qaeda in Lebanon and consequently attract members and fighters of al-Qaeda from all over the world to Lebanon to conduct their battle with the Lebanese army and the rest of the Lebanese?"
Gosh, Nasrallah, you do know your lines well.
For a decent assessment of the situation, Amir Taheri seems to have it nailed:
http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=9064
A small group of mostly foreign Jihadis attack the Lebanese army and then blame the whole thing on the USA and Israel. And there will be plenty of guillable chumps who will go along with this. |
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Borninhove
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Posted - 30/05/2007 : 11:22:14
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On the strangely silent mediaquote:
Last week, the Lebanese army attacked a squalid Palestinian refugee camp that's become infested with Islamist suicide terrorists and guerilla fighters. On May 20, government troops surrounded the camp, with tanks and artillery pieces shelling it at close range. Army snipers gunned down anything that moved. At least 18 civilians were killed, and dozens more injured. Water and electricity were cut off. By week's end, much of the camp had been turned into deserted rubble. Thousands of terrified residents fleeing the camp reported harrowing stories of famished, parched families trapped in their basements. At present the death toll is 45 and still climbing.
How did the rest of the world react? The Arab League quickly condemned "the criminal and terrorist acts carried out by the terrorist group known as Fatah al-Islam," and vowed to "give its full support to the efforts of the army and the Lebanese government." EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana also condemned Fatah al-Islam, and declared Europe's "support" for Lebanon. And the UN Security Council called the actions of Fatah al-Islam "an unacceptable attack" on Lebanon's sovereignty. As for the Western media, most outlets ignored the story following the first flurry of news reports.
At this point, please indulge me by re-reading the first paragraph of this column -- except this time, substitute the world "Israeli" for "Lebanese" in the first sentence.
The guy makes some very good points in the rest of the article, especially concerning the massive hypocrisy there is when it comes to the coverage of Israel.
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Miriam Binder
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Posted - 30/05/2007 : 11:46:39
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| Balance? You dare talk of balance in the same breath as that huge country Israel against those small beleaguered Arab nations? |
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