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Anubis
Barsoom
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 Posted - 22/05/2007 : 22:38:09
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I am surprised nobody has mentioned the ominous vote in the House of Commons on Friday last. It might appear just a 'national' issue, but my guess is it's the "writing on the wall" prefiguring what's in store in our world of increasing control from above. (The MPs voted to exempt themselves from Freedom of Information disclosures) With all its many faults the Freedom of Information Act 2000 was a valuable move towards openness and accountability; a case I took to F o I and received reply in February of this year, provided clear evidence of a local Council lying to electors. If the exemption to the House of Commons becomes law, inevitably the next step will be to move along the same road and extend the favour to local authorities, such as our Brighton & Hove Council. We are witnessing New Labour in action, in the very week Gordon Brown pretends he's introducing a new era of "openness".
For the record, for those who missed the news details, here is a listing of who voted how:
AYES
Ainsworth, rh Mr. Bob
Allen, Mr. Graham
Anderson, Janet
Atkinson, Mr. Peter
Bailey, Mr. Adrian
Bell, Sir Stuart
Betts, Mr. Clive
Blackman, Liz
Brown, rh Mr. Nicholas
Burgon, Colin
Burns, Mr. Simon
Butterfill, Sir John
Cairns, David
Campbell, Mr. Alan
Campbell, Mr. Ronnie
Clelland, Mr. David
Cohen, Harry
David, Mr. Wayne
Dhanda, Mr. Parmjit
Donohoe, Mr. Brian H.
Doran, Mr. Frank
Dowd, Jim
Duddridge, James
Eagle, Angela
Eagle, Maria
Efford, Clive
Ellwood, Mr. Tobias
Fitzpatrick, Jim
Flint, Caroline
Foster, Mr. Michael (Worcester)
Hall, Mr. Mike
Harris, Mr. Tom
Henderson, Mr. Doug
Heppell, Mr. John
Hill, rh Keith
Irranca-Davies, Huw
Jones, Mr. Kevan
Jones, Mr. Martyn
Kemp, Mr. Fraser
Kirkbride, Miss Julie
Knight, rh Mr. Greg
Lammy, Mr. David
Laxton, Mr. Bob
Levitt, Tom
Lewis, Mr. Ivan
Lewis, Dr. Julian
Lloyd, Tony
Maclean, rh David
Mahmood, Mr. Khalid
Marshall, Mr. David
McAvoy, rh Mr. Thomas
McCabe, Steve
McCartney, rh Mr. Ian
McFall, rh John
McIsaac, Shona
McNulty, Mr. Tony
Merron, Gillian
Michael, rh Alun
Moffatt, Laura
Morley, rh Mr. Elliot
Mudie, Mr. George
Munn, Meg
Murphy, Mr. Denis
Neill, Robert
Pelling, Mr. Andrew
Plaskitt, Mr. James
Pound, Stephen
Pritchard, Mark
Purchase, Mr. Ken
Randall, Mr. John
Robertson, John
Roy, Mr. Frank
Ruffley, Mr. David
Ryan, Joan
Salter, Martin
Shaw, Jonathan
Sheridan, Jim
Simon, Mr. Siôn
Smith, Ms Angela C. (Sheffield, Hillsborough)
Snelgrove, Anne
Spellar, rh Mr. John
Stewart, Ian
Tami, Mark
Taylor, Ms Dari
Thomas, Mr. Gareth
Tredinnick, David
Turner, Dr. Desmond
Ward, Claire
Watson, Mr. Tom
Watts, Mr. Dave
Wicks, Malcolm
Widdecombe, rh Miss Ann
Winterton, Ann
Winterton, Sir Nicholas
Woolas, Mr. Phil
Wright, David
Tellers for the Ayes:
Mr. Tim Boswell and
Mr. Andrew Dismore
NOES
Baker, Norman
Burt, Lorely
Clappison, Mr. James
Corbyn, Jeremy
Cousins, Jim
Farron, Tim
Field, rh Mr. Frank
Fisher, Mark
Galloway, Mr. George
Gerrard, Mr. Neil
Gidley, Sandra
Goldsworthy, Julia
Harris, Dr. Evan
Hoey, Kate
Hollobone, Mr. Philip
Howarth, David
Hughes, Simon
Kramer, Susan
Maples, Mr. John
Norris, Dan
Redwood, rh Mr. John
Shepherd, Mr. Richard
Soulsby, Sir Peter
Williams, Hywel
Winnick, Mr. David
Tellers for the Noes:
Mr. Alan Reid and
Jo Swinson
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Joe Bloggs
Alagaësía
72 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2007 : 23:13:16
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| Why is anyone suprised by the fact some MP's want to fly below the radar of law they expect the rest of us to live by? Data Protection law already excludes correspondence with constituents so that excuse is a smokescreen for those with something to hide. It isn't suprising at all. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/05/2007 : 23:28:13
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But it maybe worth taking note of the Ayes and Nayes. Des Turner, The MP for Kemptown, is an Aye  |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
Edited by - Miriam Binder on 22/05/2007 23:33:24 |
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Daveb
Earthsea
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Posted - 23/05/2007 : 05:12:14
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| It appears only a small percentage of MPs voted. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Anubis
Barsoom
279 Posts |
Posted - 23/05/2007 : 13:01:49
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| Yes, an important point., Dave. News casts taken during the debate showed rows and rows of empty seats (i.e. rather typical of most of the time when our "leaders" are deliberating our destinies), but that nighton the news services,, I noticed the BBC provided shots of a "full house", with hordes of members pushing and shoving each other. I guess that's the BBCs cosmetic contribution to making it all appear "more democratic"!? All part of the overall "spin" which is now so basic to our Society! |
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Posted - 24/05/2007 : 10:50:35
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Dave, yes this is one of the problems about legislation, it only takes a majority of those
voting in the house for a bill to pass the lower and upper houses.
Also, there is little opposition in this present parliament or they are not present. |
dont put your cat in the washing machine or you might get a sock in the puss |
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nightbird
Calaspia
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 24/05/2007 : 13:17:26
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Look at Paris
they lost control in those Riots a year back.
Control - no one can predict.
In a Civil War all those Computer HQ
could be destroyed in the UK. |
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383 Posts |
Posted - 24/05/2007 : 13:28:25
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They are in a secret underground bunker.
Civil war, us, you must be kidding, miss east enders, oh no. |
dont put your cat in the washing machine or you might get a sock in the puss |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
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FUBAR
Barsoom
425 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2007 : 19:54:32
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How good an idea is that. there you are with a crazed drug baron living next door and you grass him up. For a reward they give you his car.......
I can see the line for the police now....
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I came into the world with nothing and still have most of it left.. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2215 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2007 : 20:00:19
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| Does the insignia on the chair say LTNS? |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5821 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2007 : 20:01:06
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quote:
Originally posted by nightbird
Be careful, very careful what you tell your neighbour in future....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457501&in_page_id=1770
This is getting more and more like a police state. In Stalin Russia neighbours were encouraged to 'rat' on their neighbours. In Hitler's Germany children were encouraged to 'rat' on their parents ... |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2215 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2007 : 20:03:13
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| Everybody wants to be a rat! |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2007 : 20:05:20
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Only when they are paid off,
they do. |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2215 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2007 : 22:03:44
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| If we do move to an Orwellian society will they have to provide a HIP? |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
Posted - 25/05/2007 : 22:48:26
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The Assets Recovery Agency – which initially cost more to run than it recovered- are behind this.
Makes you wonder if anything at the home office is cost effective and does what it says on the tin!
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moving to Orwellian society