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nightbird
Calaspia
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/07/2007 : 23:18:33
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| A terrible tragedy that is not going to be made any less horrific by this utterly ludicrous act of vengeful prosecution. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Anubis
Barsoom
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 Posted - 24/07/2007 : 23:43:24
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You have said all that CAN be said, in just seventeen words, Nightbird.
Indeed, what IS happening? No wonder any qualified teacher with any real ability, is today, quite literally, frightened to go to work. Any accident, and tragically, accidents will always happen unless we literally place our kids in cotton wool cocoons. must have a "culprit", somebody has to be punished. [it's the primitive logic found in all primitive societies, accidents NEVER happen, "bad" things never just happen, they are "caused" by evil spirits or people behaving in an "ungodly" way ... for example, nobody "just" dies in Australian aboriginal culture, the death has always been "caused" by a tribe member's "misconduct".]
The other side of the coin is the "dumbing down" of all educational disciplines. Most of my own teaching was with A level students. I can honestly say that I have not met a teacher of any subject at A level who would argue that the standards required for a successful A level pass have been drastically lowered during the last decade. Just two days ago, I was speaking with the Chief Examiner for one A level -- he was on his way to Cambridge to meet with his team of examiners. In his discipline, students who would have received a "D" grade ten years ago, he reported, despairingly, could today expect to achieve an A grade with an asterisk attached.
It ISN'T the same everywhere. One of our daughters has just emigrated to the south island of New Zealand. Her eight-year old son turned up in his new classroom, introduced to the class teacher, who picked him up, whirled him around in front of the class and shouted to the assembled class, "look we have a new boy!". Such behaviour by a teacher, in the UK today, would be totally unacceptable (teachers mustn't "touch"pupils!) and he would be severely disciplined.
Apologies for "going on", Nightbird. But I also am VERY distressed by these absurdities. |
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nightbird
Calaspia
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 31/07/2007 : 19:05:30
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That was about a 3 year old Nightbird.
You say Kids?
that is about a toddler that sadly died. |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
Posted - 31/07/2007 : 19:30:46
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The child died of MRSA LT, how the hell are you going to shield a child from the learning process without any risks what so ever.
Me thinks you never had children or been around them, theres one thing for certain they don't always listen to what their told so learn the hard way, sadly this just escalated to the child's death.
But do we need to crucify the school.... |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 31/07/2007 : 19:44:29
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Originally posted by nightbird
The child died of MRSA LT, how the hell are you going to shield a child from the learning process without any risks what so ever.
Me thinks you never had children or been around them, theres one thing for certain they don't always listen to what their told so learn the hard way, sadly this just escalated to the child's death.
But do we need to crucify the school....
I think you have never had kids
the way you talk sometimes.
3 year olds need more care.
And would need someone to keep a Eye on them,
that is common sense. |
Edited by - long time no see on 31/07/2007 19:48:50 |
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nightbird
Calaspia
603 Posts |
Posted - 31/07/2007 : 20:11:39
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| Get your brain into gear, does this mean that if a child is taken to AE with injuries from falling down steps, off a bike the attending guardian can be prosecuted under health and safety regulations? |
Edited by - nightbird on 31/07/2007 20:12:21 |
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Daveb
Earthsea
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Posted - 31/07/2007 : 20:24:08
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If you own the steps or the property where the accident occurs you are technically liable.
It is vicarious liabilty. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 31/07/2007 : 20:26:41
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Originally posted by nightbird
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/6922637.stm
So kids can't be kids anymore, no climbing trees, walking on tops of walls, playing conckers, running, jumping.
What next I ask........
Nightbird Check the LINK
no one was watching over all of them.
One person in charge of 59 is criminal
and Typical of a Private School.
Get your Head in Gear -Nightbird. |
Edited by - long time no see on 31/07/2007 20:30:06 |
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Daveb
Earthsea
2420 Posts |
Posted - 31/07/2007 : 20:33:13
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It does seem that one teacher was not enough due to the age of the children involved.
However the hospital must take some responibility if MRSA was involved.
Lots of kids jump down steps every day, this was just a tragic accident. |
We're all doomed!
Head for the hills before they start heading for you! |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
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Posted - 31/07/2007 : 23:52:25
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I`m sorry, but I think this poor child`s age is rather significant.
Firstly, I honestly don`t think 3 year-olds should be at school yet, unless it`s really a proper nursery or creche, with Nursery trained staff supervising at all times.
Secondly, did anyone - court or press - enquire whether the parents and grandparents had a stair-gate in situ in their homes when the 3 year-old was there? What if he`d played Batman at home? I remember when I was 4, we used to play `fairies`, jumping off the back doorstep that was 3 steps up, using our mums` pinnies as `wings`
Then again, by the age of 3, most youngsters are well able to get up and down stairs, and a determined child of that age might be in more danger from trying to climb over the gate than from simply making his own way up or down unimpeded. (Like we debate the use of cot-sides on elderly or confused patients` beds if they try to climb out - can result in worse injuries.) |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Anubis
Barsoom
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 00:27:31
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This is as much a response to "Fluffy Sheep" as it is to the topic! As an outsider really, never REALLY participating in the discussions on this forum, "Fluffy Sheep" is (to my mind) the ONLY person who is ALWAYS worth reading. I think this is the first time she's ever said something I just disagree with .... she talks of "stair gates". Our three kids mastered stairways at a very early age, as soon as they could crawl, in fact. Nothing brilliant about them, rather we just taught them, as soon as they were able, HOW to descend stairs -- coming down backwards, of course. Our house is full of stairs. There was NEVER a serious accident on the stairs. Indeed, installing stair gates does no more than DELAY and impede their learning how to cope with steps.
On my earlier theme. I suppose ONE of the reasons we always get sense from FS is because she only contributes to discussions where she has something to say. It's interesting always to look through the postings, and over time one builds up an "impression" about many of those who contribute regularly. I guess EVERYBODY makes very positive and useful observations; but it is then spoiled by individuals, who unlike FS just want to say something for the sake of saying it. But, at the moment, the discussions taking place on "LiveWire" are hardly enough to "turn one on", are they!? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2007 : 08:55:51
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Yes Fluffy
3 year olds
had to be a Private School. |
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Anubis
Barsoom
369 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2007 : 09:05:26
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| Thank you chou -- in the fresh "early" light next day, I recognize you did me (and livewire) a service! |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 09:12:26
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The whole thing is ludicrous. The child acted like many children have, do and will continue to do. There was an accident ... unfortunate but again something that has, does and will continue to happen. The fact that this was made worse by a highly unfortunate complications, the contraction pneumonia that resisted antibiotics is tragic.
Children should continue to push the boundaries of their abilities. Both the physical and mental boundaries. This is something we, as adults should encourage. The only really sad consequences to this already horrific loss that I can foresee is that we are going to wrap up kids in even more cotton wool. Fining the headmaster/school for the death of this poor boy serves no purpose other then vengeance. And vengeance against what I wonder? Life? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 09:45:00
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Originally posted by Daveb
It does seem that one teacher was not enough due to the age of the children involved.
However the hospital must take some responibility if MRSA was involved.
Lots of kids jump down steps every day, this was just a tragic accident.
Wasn't it a resistant strain of Pneumonia rather than MRSA. Over use of anti-bacterial cleaning agents in the home and antibiotics are just as much to blame as the hospital.
How many anti-bacterial cleaning agents do you use? If it's any then you are contributing to resistant strains of diseases. Not many people know this is a factor to blame which is why I hate scare adverts that encourage us to use the products.
Anyway it does seem that 1 person is not very many to look after 59 toddlers. Maybe it would be enough for older children. If there were more people supervising like there should be then someone could have told the child not to play on the stairs. Any parent would tell their child not to do this.
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 21:17:22
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Many thanks for your kind words, Anubis. On the subject of stair gates, I fully agree with what you say. We didn`t have a stair gate in the house until the arrival of my daughter, then the youngest of our fosterlings at 15 months - and the stair gates (one at the top, one at the bottom) were compulsory. AND nearly proved lethal to a determined five-year old.
I taught my daughter to go up on all fours and come down step by step on her bottom. We spent an hour both doing this at our local swimming baths once when she had a rotten cold and my hubby had the other kids in the pool!
Moon, I think you made a very good point there, about anti-bacterial-product hype and hysteria.
Simple effective cleaning with soap and water is far safer and nothing wrong with adding some soda or borax too. |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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