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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 25/07/2007 : 11:10:24
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Brighton & Hove City Council plans to transform Lewes Road into an academic corridor including:
A public square at the Vogue Gyratory.
Grants for shopfronts and a ban on fast food outlets.
Moving Moulsecoomb station southwards to cater for the new Preston Barracks redevelopment, which will include hundreds of new homes.
A tree-lined Lewes Road and improvements to Saunders Park.
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So, the idea is that we have a public square right there where refuse laden trucks are going to be turning the corner every 6 minutes or so into the proposed waste transfer station, we lose the only petrol station left in central(ish) Brighton.
Am I alone in thinking that the latter two issues aside, we've heard all this before? This smacks very much like another one of those Gehry moments ...
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6419 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2007 : 11:16:25
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Preston Barracks
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 11:16:32
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posted by Miriam Brinder
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a ban on fast food outlets.
It's the beginning of the end for Greggs! |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6419 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2007 : 11:17:46
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They ain't on
that Road, |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
1234 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2007 : 11:21:45
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| Exactly. They are going to be prevented from spreading there. Perhaps this fast food ban will apply to other steets. |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6419 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2007 : 11:50:46
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These are not Bans
just ideas,
that change every week. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5303 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2007 : 11:54:33
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| Yes LTNS and it is my opinion that this is a very bad idea. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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Pelagia
Barsoom
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 12:04:33
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I once worked it out that there are about ten fast food outlets between my end of Coombe Road and the junction of Lewes Road and Elm Grove.
The Lewes Road area needs something doing to it, but putting loads more houses on the Preston Barracks site and making the Vogue Gyratory into a public square, just will not work. Who the hell thought up this plan. Lewes Road in general and the Vogue Gyrator in particular will never become another "quarter" of any sort. It will never attract cafe society! |
Edited by - Pelagia on 25/07/2007 12:05:12 |
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nightbird
Calaspia
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 12:05:45
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Sounds like another over development with no supporting infrastructure to me.
The Vogue Gyrotory was a complete abortion from day one, it only encourages aggressive driving.
The barrack site doesn't need the railway station moving closer, it needs a back access road to relieve pressure on the Lewes road, when was a new road created in Brighton?
Rather than employing expensive consultants the councils should consult those that live and work in the Lewes road then we might get something more logical..... |
Edited by - nightbird on 25/07/2007 12:06:29 |
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Pelagia
Barsoom
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 12:08:15
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| Agree Nightowl. That area of Brighton also has the worse air pollution due to the amount of traffic. Something should be done about that by way of relieving pressure on traffic before they decide to tart up Saunders Park et all. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 12:19:08
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It may have escaped the myopic visionaries but there is a lot more to city life then café society. On the one hand this council is claiming to head a city that welcomes diversity and then it puts forward plans that would turn us into a homogeneous maess   |
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Pelagia
Barsoom
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 12:22:36
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| Whoever heard of anyone getting dressed up for a night out in the Lewes Road?? No matter what tarting up is done to that area, that aint going to happen! |
Edited by - Pelagia on 25/07/2007 12:23:20 |
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fartin1976
Alagaësía
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 12:30:41
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| What about building a decent secondary school on the barrack site? |
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nightbird
Calaspia
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 12:42:06
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Originally posted by fartin1976
What about building a decent secondary school on the barrack site?
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 12:50:40
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Originally posted by fartin1976
What about building a decent secondary school on the barrack site?
As far as I know a developer has been selected and the site is to contain 412 homes of which 40% will be affordable, 20,000 square metres of business space with an innovation centre and community facilities.
Oh yes, it is anticipated that it will create about 1,000 jobs though I cannot now recollect whether these are temporary/permanent or seasonal. Probably mainly in the construction industry as the preferred developers, a consortium of Wilson Bowden, CDHA (part of Hyde Housing) and Broadway Malayan Architects who will lead this groundbreaking, contemporary site 
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Pelagia
Barsoom
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 13:07:04
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| How the hell is all that going to be fitted into such a relatively small space? |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6419 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2007 : 15:32:47
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| Each Block may have 6 or 8 Floors or more. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5303 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2007 : 15:51:03
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Originally posted by Pelagia
How the hell is all that going to be fitted into such a relatively small space?
Maybe they think the site has 'Tardis' like properties?
One artist impression of the proposed development
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Pelagia
Barsoom
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 15:59:16
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| That is really going to show up that revolting vomit inducing block at the bottom of Bear Road; to say nothing of the Deco Building, which IMHO was converted by a team of cowboys (allegedly). |
Edited by - Pelagia on 25/07/2007 16:02:17 |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5303 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2007 : 16:04:25
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| I expect that give it another 5-10 years you will find that that block will be found to be substandard anyway and it will be demolished to make way for a block three times the height and possibly made of nice shiny glass to fit in with the Preston Barracks monstrosities |
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septicman
Alagaësía
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 16:38:01
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These sound like fantastic plans at last for this area, demonstrating vision and a real sense of community. Anyone who complains about these is simply a NIMBY, out of touch with the real demands of the community.
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septicman
Alagaësía
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 16:43:46
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Originally posted by Pelagia
I once worked it out that there are about ten fast food outlets between my end of Coombe Road and the junction of Lewes Road and Elm Grove.
The Lewes Road area needs something doing to it, but putting loads more houses on the Preston Barracks site and making the Vogue Gyratory into a public square, just will not work. Who the hell thought up this plan. Lewes Road in general and the Vogue Gyrator in particular will never become another "quarter" of any sort. It will never attract cafe society!
I have decided to embrace change.
I have decided that it is simply not right to ever complain about a development again, because there are two sides to every story, and just looking at the facts leads to a loss of vision and diminishes my blue sky thinking. So for this development, I am going to take the view that houses need to be built somewhere, so why not here? Pelagia, you need to look at the bigger picture and get ready to accommodate a paradigm shift. Just because you can't see this doesn't mean it's not right for the Community (which in development terms appears to mean those who are not local and/or who are not negatively affected by the development). So stop whinging you NIMBY. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5303 Posts |
Posted - 25/07/2007 : 16:45:33
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Originally posted by septicman
These sound like fantastic plans at last for this area, demonstrating vision and a real sense of community. Anyone who complains about these is simply a NIMBY, out of touch with the real demands of the community.
That's my boy Septic, lose one and wade right into the next. I have no problem with development nor does anyone else with half a brain. However large scale development must needs take into account what is there and ensure that the development proposed will fit in with not just the surrounding urban landscape but also with existing and projected drains on the local infrastructure.
The same objection I raised regarding the King Alfred development actually. |
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septicman
Alagaësía
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 16:54:39
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
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Originally posted by septicman
These sound like fantastic plans at last for this area, demonstrating vision and a real sense of community. Anyone who complains about these is simply a NIMBY, out of touch with the real demands of the community.
That's my boy Septic, lose one and wade right into the next. I have no problem with development nor does anyone else with half a brain. However large scale development must needs take into account what is there and ensure that the development proposed will fit in with not just the surrounding urban landscape but also with existing and projected drains on the local infrastructure.
The same objection I raised regarding the King Alfred development actually.
Er, it was meant to be ironic. In an ironic sort of way. But I do remember you objecting about the King Alfred. As you well know, the residents there were overwhelmingly against the development, but for some strange reason their views didn't carry weight, except for other developments they do. What a surprise. |
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Martha Gunn
Barsoom
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Posted - 25/07/2007 : 21:34:18
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Originally posted by nightbird
The Vogue Gyrotory was a complete abortion from day one, it only encourages aggressive driving.
Too true. The layout encourages bully-boy tactics. I hate driving round it.
The Lewes Rd area is an impending urban disaster. An academic corridor! Don't make me laugh - it'll become more of a student ghetto than it already has become. Who wants to sit in a new square in middle of the worst air pollution Brighton has to offer? Ideas like this just make you want to put your head in your hands in utter bewilderment.
Just lucky there're not planning to routes loads of extra HGV's through the area. Oh, hang on a minute... |
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nightbird
Calaspia
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Posted - 26/07/2007 : 00:25:06
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The Lewes road is one of the major arteries in and out of Brighton, it gets grid locked now before we build 500 houses and a thousand new jobs on the barrack sight.
The council have a big problem with the infrastructure of the area, to make such a large and dense development on this site a new back road from the Saunders park area Popes folly to the railway bridge in Hollingdean road needs to be built, even a new railway bridge may be required.
The road can exit out on to the Lewes road at the end of the barracks site by the University building.....
Some homes will be lost but remember 500 new ones will be built.... |
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Infinite Poppadum
Discworld
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6419 Posts |
Posted - 14/08/2007 : 19:16:12
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Not a Good Job, maybe
so she Jumped.
Life In The City. |
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caeos
Barsoom
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Posted - 15/08/2007 : 16:38:40
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and how, if she jumped, did she break only her jaw? it was amazing to see the amount of riot police and cars who waded in for a lone woman.
oh i understand that a pizza hut will open to compete with the exisitng pizza shops |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6419 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2007 : 16:46:33
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First Floor Level is why
she got lucky. |
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The new Lewes road