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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 09:16:37
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| Holding cells on location? In a weird sort of way it does make sense. I agree with the need to be highly cautious about the approach but in principle cannot find anything wrong with it. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 09:30:16
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The risks I could see are:
Security Guards throwing people in these cells until the police arrived.
Police using these cells as 'sin bins' and arresting more people for petty offenses
Fast-tracking the gathering of DNA etc and then releasing people without charge
Difficulty in obtaining legal representation in a mobile cell
Lack of proper procedure e.g. no custody sergeant, lack of proper procedure.
Are these going to be publicly owned or run by private security firms?
Firms that can afford to support the cells may recevie prefrential police support.
On the plus side:
Save police time of having to take people back to the station
Gets officers back onto the street properly
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5821 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2007 : 09:39:46
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According to the article shopping centres do not object to providing the facilities however state that they feel that the Police should be responsible for running the short term centres.
The Mobile Cells would be run during very specific times and in response to very specific incidents and could therefore provide legal representation as part of the facilities - a duty solicitor can accompany the mobile cell for instance. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
 Posted - 01/08/2007 : 10:52:53
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
According to the article shopping centres do not object to providing the facilities however state that they feel that the Police should be responsible for running the short term centres.
The Mobile Cells would be run during very specific times and in response to very specific incidents and could therefore provide legal representation as part of the facilities - a duty solicitor can accompany the mobile cell for instance.
Yes that seems a good idea to have a solicitor present. I guess thought that as the police would only be using them as a tempory holding cell they would argue that you don't need legal representation untill you are interviewed.
I'm sure it would lead to more arrests though as police would know they didn't have to go all the way back to the station. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
5821 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2007 : 11:29:10
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On the other hand, it could reduce the number of people taking into custody as this could act as a sort of sorting house reducing the need to book people just because the police are looking into the background.
I do think though that you made a good point about DNA testing. I don't think that should available in the temporary holding cells. Bad enough as things are. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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No Expert
Barsoom
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 12:48:34
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| Does anyone else object to the inference that these Jails are the result of 'Lazy Police'? Why does this mean they're lazy? |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 13:38:24
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Originally posted by No Expert
Does anyone else object to the inference that these Jails are the result of 'Lazy Police'? Why does this mean they're lazy?
Of course not ... it just means that LTNS has once more allowed his prejudices interfere with his assimilation of information. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
841 Posts |
Posted - 01/08/2007 : 15:35:06
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Originally posted by Miriam Binder
On the other hand, it could reduce the number of people taking into custody as this could act as a sort of sorting house reducing the need to book people just because the police are looking into the background.
I do think though that you made a good point about DNA testing. I don't think that should available in the temporary holding cells. Bad enough as things are.
Yes that could be good, but as I said might just be used as a way of gathering information on people without actually arressting them properley with the due legal process. Like all these things if it was implemeted correctly it wouldn't be much of a problem.
My ither fear is that it will lead to big buisnesses who are able to provide this facilities having prefrential policing compared to smaller shops and private citizens. |
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dom
Barsoom
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 20:32:30
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Originally posted by No Expert
Does anyone else object to the inference that these Jails are the result of 'Lazy Police'? Why does this mean they're lazy?
I do. It's just one of LTNS's buzz words that don't really mean much. |
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 21:00:04
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I think it`s a good idea. If every retail park had a holding area, for instance, the businesses there could all chip in towards the cost and they`d have equal expectation of attention.
No, I don`t think it`s fair to say `Lazy Police`. NAUGHTY, LT! |
Row faster, slaves! Caesar wants to waterski! |
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Daveb
Earthsea
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Fluffy Sheep
Discworld
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Posted - 27/08/2007 : 00:12:05
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Daveb, thanks for that. We just don`t realise how lucky we are here. OK, our cops aren`t perfect.
About 10 years ago I did some night shifts with an African care assistant who`d married a Welshman living in Zimbabwe. She came into work one night quite upset because a neighbour had grabbed her little boy (black like his mother, and just 6 years old) by his shirt front and shaken him - the shirt was ripped. She was afraid to tell her husband, let alone the police. It took me and another lass pretty much all night to convince her that she had to report this incident, and that SHE had nothing to fear from our police by doing so. She was conditioned by her experience of Zimbabwe police. |
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Lazy police want Tesco Jails
