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Posted - 10/01/2008 : 21:46:45
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long time no see
Earthsea
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
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 Posted - 23/01/2008 : 08:37:31
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Originally posted by long time no see
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91211-1301907,00.html
If this is true the ID Cards are to be held back for 2 years
then it stinks.
No one "trusts" the New Labour ID Card.
The whole concept of micro-chipped ID cards is wrong but why does the idea of holding them back by 2 years raise your olfactory disapprobation especially? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/01/2008 : 08:45:05
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Because Brown does not want them,
that is the feeling I get.
Clegg-Cameron
will not have ID Cards.
That is a big threat, as well.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
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Posted - 23/01/2008 : 12:51:24
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Originally posted by long time no see
Because Brown does not want them,
that is the feeling I get.
Wow ... you mean Brown may actually, entirely by accodent of course, have an idea you agree with? |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 23/01/2008 : 12:52:18
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No he is a Coward
And no one Trusts him. |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
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Posted - 23/01/2008 : 13:11:10
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Originally posted by long time no see
No he is a Coward
And no one Trusts him.
Oh, I am sure that some people do. As for cowardice ... well, you know what they say LTNS, it is easy to throw stones but not advisable when living in a glass house.
When you are prepared to stand up and be counted, you can start accusing others of cowardice. Until then ... well, it is just so much hot air really  |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 23/01/2008 : 13:48:34
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Brow and new labour want to delay the introduction of ID cards for British nationals until after the next election, as they do not want it to blow up as an issue before the vote.
Now they will role it in for foreign nationals, and this new idea of trusted people's e.g. security guards. They know these people will not cause any civil disobedience and they can act as a testing ground. Then after the election they will try and make them compulsory for everyone, which is why people will vote for Cameron or Glegg.
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
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Posted - 23/01/2008 : 14:05:05
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| This ID scheme has been a political hot potato from the start. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
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long time no see
Earthsea
United Kingdom
6771 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2008 : 15:47:43
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T-Shirts
Good Idea.
They need one with
Dithering Pathetic Brown
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 19/05/2008 : 16:31:01
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Originally posted by long time no see
T-Shirts
Good Idea.
They need one with
Dithering Pathetic Brown
on it.
For Sunny days there is the BBQ Apron.
Many people on Brighton Beach could wear these
with disposal BBQ which are now the fashion and
sold cheap in Tesco & Wallmart.
You can buy this and much much more here:
http://www.cafepress.com/no2idshop
Good people at Brighton No2ID are putting on a meeting with Phil Booth National campaign coordinator:
NO2ID Meeting: Identity Crisis, Scandal and the DNA Database
May 22nd 2008
Time 7:30 pm - 9:30 pm
Location Upstairs at Circus Circus pub, Preston Cricus
Speaker Phil Booth - NO2ID National Co-ordinator; Jason Kitcat - Brighton & Hove Green Party Chair
Topic / Issue Civil Rights
The Government still wants to force us all to have an ID card - despite the recent scandal of the lost data discs, despite the massively escalating costs (£20 billion), and despite huge growing public opposition to the scheme, particularly in Brighton & Hove.
It could go even further, with everyone's DNA placed on a centralised database. Should our personal data be placed at such high risk? What can Brighton & Hove do to help safeguard all our civil liberties?
These and other questions will be addressed at this public meeting, with talks from Phil Booth, Jason Kitcat and others.
Come to the meeting and help us defeat ID cards.
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thedelboy
Discworld
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/05/2008 : 16:45:49
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Originally posted by moon23
Brow and new labour want to delay the introduction of ID cards for British nationals until after the next election, as they do not want it to blow up as an issue before the vote.
Now they will role it in for foreign nationals, and this new idea of trusted people's e.g. security guards. They know these people will not cause any civil disobedience and they can act as a testing ground. Then after the election they will try and make them compulsory for everyone, which is why people will vote for Cameron or Glegg.
I will bee there and as far as the Id thing goes I did not like the Idea but if the government assure us that all details will be kept inhouse then I have no problem with that,Why do so many people worry about Id cards ? bloudy hell it would stop some of the shit we have to put up with paedos etc etc get a grip (mind you the gov have to get thier arse in gear because the amount of info they lose) |
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Miriam Binder
Earthsea
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/05/2008 : 16:56:12
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| It will have no effect on anything. They would still need to catch people first. |
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin |
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 19/05/2008 : 17:05:31
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Originally posted by thedelboy
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Originally posted by moon23
Brow and new labour want to delay the introduction of ID cards for British nationals until after the next election, as they do not want it to blow up as an issue before the vote.
Now they will role it in for foreign nationals, and this new idea of trusted people's e.g. security guards. They know these people will not cause any civil disobedience and they can act as a testing ground. Then after the election they will try and make them compulsory for everyone, which is why people will vote for Cameron or Glegg.
I will bee there and as far as the Id thing goes I did not like the Idea but if the government assure us that all details will be kept inhouse then I have no problem with that,Why do so many people worry about Id cards ? bloudy hell it would stop some of the shit we have to put up with paedos etc etc get a grip (mind you the gov have to get thier arse in gear because the amount of info they lose)
New government plan is to outsource the collection of biometric information, see below from new delivary plan:
59. We are looking to a future where the
Government would not provide biometric
enrolment services. Instead, these would be
provided by the market, giving citizens a
choice of competing services which should
maximise convenience and drive down
price. Although in the early years of the
roll-out, we are likely to provide some
elements of the service ourselves, we are
working now to create the marketplace.
Using the market to provide these services
can help us provide application and
enrolment services that are available and
usable by all those requiring a passport or
choosing an identity card.
Not only will you risk the government losing the details on some disk, you will also have the risk of lot's of differnt private companies collecting this information and passing it around. Tesco will probably collect your fingerprints for ID cards soon.
Major risk of ID fraud for all of us will be created by this scheme.
It's not just about the cards, the Gov wants to share our data accross all departments and link it with the National Idenity Register.
Going to be a mess. Go see Phill on Thursday, he will tell you all about it.
Say hi to David from Brighton No2Id, he is good fun to go out for a drink with after the meeting. |
Edited by - moon23 on 19/05/2008 17:06:33 |
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thedelboy
Discworld
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Posted - 19/05/2008 : 17:19:32
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| MOON as I have said I am open to others opine If it is put in a manner I could agree ith then fair play but no one on this forum has given me a reason to say no to "ID" be fair!! all we seem to get on here is paranoia |
keep on smiling |
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moon23
Calaspia
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Posted - 20/05/2008 : 11:57:46
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Originally posted by thedelboy
MOON as I have said I am open to others opine If it is put in a manner I could agree ith then fair play but no one on this forum has given me a reason to say no to "ID" be fair!! all we seem to get on here is paranoia
I don't think it's paranoid to distrust the government. Following the data disks fisco. Here are another three examples of people with nothing to hide being victims of the database state.
1.Barry Dickinson used DVLA computer to pass Animal Rights thugs addresses of car owners visiting Darley Oaks Farm-At least 5 were attacked
2.Det Sgt John Matthews, Staffs police, sold PNC vehicle & person data at £100 a time
3.13,000 DWP civil servants victims of identity fraud when payroll details used to fraudulently claim £15m in tax credits in 2005-“DWP staff have been colluding with organized criminals to commit identity theft on an industrial scale. It is far wider than just tax credits and reaches right across Whitehall.
Given the history of the last centaury, I think it's probably best we are a little bit paranoid about allowing government this sort of power over the individual. |
Edited by - moon23 on 20/05/2008 12:02:43 |
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